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  • What if the watch is real but the document isn't?

    Whilst it seems most observers are in check mate with regards to the scientific dating of the diary ink and paper of the Maybrick document, the watch seems to be a real spanner in the works for detractors of the "diary". In the 1993 tests, the engravings were classed as being "tens of years" old at least - as the decaying of brass particles in the base of the engravings would be extremely difficult to forge or fake. I use phrase "extremely difficult" because nothing is ever impossible, but the science seems to stack up across all the watch reports - the engravings were not recent to 1993. The "anti-diary" supporters seem to accept that either the document was either a recent forgery (e.g post 1991) or is in fact real.

    How did the watch end up in the antiques shop where Albert Johnson purchased it in 1992? What if the watch was "planted" in the antiques shop delibertaley, in the hope that one day an additional artefact would back up the provenance of the forged document? After all, who would believe the watch alone could point the finger at James Maybrick, even though he had effectively confessed via the engraving? The watch alone would not be enough. Hence, the motivation for the document forgery. Let the watch support the diary, but actually the diary was created to support the existence of the watch.

    The watch has been a conundrum for many detractors, including Melvin Harris and Martin Fido. The science behind the watch offers an inconvenient truth.

    Which leads to the question, who then engraved the watch?

    On a side note, William Maybrick, James' father was by trade an engraver. Something James would have some basic knowledge of having been around it most of his childhood.

    Just a thought.
    Last edited by erobitha; 02-07-2020, 04:38 PM.

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    I've often found myself wondering what if the watch had come to light instead of the scrapbook. As you say, scientific tests suggests that the scratches are indeed old enough for it to be genuine. Then there's the signature on the watch which actually resembles Maybrick's, and it was brought to the world's attention by someone considerably more credible than Bongo Barrett. I agree that the watch on its own is not enough to point the finger at JM, but it could well be the inspiration behind the scrapbook.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by StevenOwl View Post
      I've often found myself wondering what if the watch had come to light instead of the scrapbook. As you say, scientific tests suggests that the scratches are indeed old enough for it to be genuine. Then there's the signature on the watch which actually resembles Maybrick's, and it was brought to the world's attention by someone considerably more credible than Bongo Barrett. I agree that the watch on its own is not enough to point the finger at JM, but it could well be the inspiration behind the scrapbook.
      There is a much simpler way of looking at this, of course - and one which accords with all of the facts of the case (well, almost all) ...
      Iconoclast
      Soldier of Fortune, Man of Peace, Destroyer of Images, Nice Guy, Genius

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

        There is a much simpler way of looking at this, of course - and one which accords with all of the facts of the case (well, almost all) ...
        Oh absolutely Ike, I was simply wondering if Jim as Jack might have carried more weight with Ripperologists if it was the watch that came to light via Albert, rather than the scrapbook via Mike.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

          There is a much simpler way of looking at this, of course - and one which accords with all of the facts of the case (well, almost all) ...
          That it's all a load of bunkum that's fooled the naive and gullible?

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