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  • Tempus - are you insinuating that the murderer, diarist had the power to direct how the PHOTOS were taken - or to ensure their survival?

    If the pics had been taken from almost any other angle what you insist are deliberate clues left by the killer would either be invisible or obscure. How - if the "other" MJK pic had been the only one to survive - would anyone today have seen the "initials" etc? They would not.

    The logical assumption is that diarist saw the usual MJK on bed pic, scoured it, found something he could use and bob's your uncle. end of story. The initials etc are entirely a perceptual thing, never noticed until someone LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE found those particular makes useful.

    NOTE WELL - the police were in that room from the start, the body was autosied, yet NOT A SINGLE MENTION IS MADE BY ANY POLICEMAN of what you say is so obvious. So the deduction is they were not seen - probably because from any angle but that of the camera, they were not there in the form you insist on - it is a mirage, a trick of the angle.

    Like the so-called "sphinx on Mars" remember that - a lot of foolish people weaved whole theories of civilisations, connections with earth, ancient astronauts, and millenial doom. When NASA photographed the same point again from a different angle it all dissolved into geologivcal rock formations and tricks of light. THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING THERE.

    The mention of these non-existent "bloody graffiti" shows that the diary forger had seen the pic. This was not widely known of until (I think) Don Rumbleow found it in the 60s and had not been seen before. So to mention these marks, which only make sense in the context of the pic - proves the forgery to me.

    Nuff said, case closed, bye.

    Phil H

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    • What?

      No Sphinx on Mars?? I'm devastated.

      Does this mean no WWII Bomber on the Moon, either?

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      • The WWII bomber and the London bus on the moon are real enough, Sally. They belong to Elvis who has a mansion there.

        I understand that some believers in the diary also live on the moon!

        Phil H

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        • I honestly can't see any of this MF, chemise stuff on the photos..and I'm trying to look for it!...would not the killer have made it more obvious if he wanted to leave it for posterity?..I can make out HMV for some reason...is there a suspect called Jack Russell at all?

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          • Oh, haven't you read the Jack Russell theory??

            He wore a coat that made a noise when he moved - so he was "Jack the Russeller"!!! (sorry!)

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            • The WWII bomber and the London bus on the moon are real enough, Sally. They belong to Elvis who has a mansion there.
              Phew! I was worried for a second there...

              I understand that some believers in the diary also live on the moon!
              Ah. That explains it - what with all those wonders up there, a few initials at a crime scene must seem very mundane. That's where we Diary Disbelievers are going wrong.

              We've lost our sense of wonder?

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              • Originally posted by Tempus omnia revelat View Post
                The point remains that in the photogragh of Mary Kelly there is a large F on her forearm and a piece of her chemise lying on top of her body that shouldn't be there.
                Hi Tempus

                You did see this thread, right?



                F on forearm? You mean the blood marks that might be interpreted as an upside down F? Stretches it just a bit, doesn't it? In some old, and poorly printed, black and white photos of the scene, an FM shows on the wall, and you would expect them to show more clearly in an enhanced photo would you not? They don't even appear, nor in the sepia original that Aberlime used.

                The chemise lying on top: You think it shouldn't be there because the breasts were removed? So? The cloth had plenty of blood and goo to stick it in it's place, whether placed there intentionally by the murderer or accidentally brushed into place by a movement of the murderer inadvertently. Maybe even the photographer stuck it there to help focus on the grisly scene. Who knows?

                Any shape seen in photos is most likely caused by the mind's recognition of familiar shapes, such as the Virgin Mary in a water stain on the ceiling. Now if the marks in the Miller's Court crime scene were like William Heirens' message written in lipstick on the mirror of his second of victim: 'For heaven's sake catch me before I kill more. I cannot control myself", then we might have a clear case of the killer leaving a clue. As it is, any clue left in Miller's Court resembling an FM for Florence Maybrick is pure speculation.

                God bless

                Raven Darkendale
                And the questions always linger, no real answer in sight

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                • Originally posted by Phil H View Post
                  Oh, haven't you read the Jack Russell theory??

                  He wore a coat that made a noise when he moved - so he was "Jack the Russeller"!!! (sorry!)
                  shoulda been a coat that rippled mate....
                  But seriously its so subjective this..its like the murder sites forming a pattern...you go on forever...

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                  • Straws..

                    I don't think, in all seriousness (a rare commodity for me) that an argument for an 'F' on Kelly's forearm can realistically be maintained.

                    There are other marks, apart form the 'F' on the arm. We could also see a 'C' if we chose to.

                    Initials CF? FC?

                    Perhaps that's the real clue to the identity of the murderer. Or perhaps the marks on the right calf are some sort of code?

                    Now that we have two initials we can build a story around them, propose a new suspect perhaps. We can see what we want to see once we allow our imagination to take hold.

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                    • Originally posted by Sally View Post
                      I don't think, in all seriousness (a rare commodity for me) that an argument for an 'F' on Kelly's forearm can realistically be maintained.

                      There are other marks, apart form the 'F' on the arm. We could also see a 'C' if we chose to.

                      Initials CF? FC?

                      Perhaps that's the real clue to the identity of the murderer. Or perhaps the marks on the right calf are some sort of code?

                      Now that we have two initials we can build a story around them, propose a new suspect perhaps. We can see what we want to see once we allow our imagination to take hold.
                      FC is interesting....check out where your respective football teams were playing that day...The nearest i can find for Wednesday is that they played Long Eaton in the F.A cup on the 5th of November 1888....plenty of time to get to Whitechapel and back...I suspect a local unknown London side.......Fulham?

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                      • Originally posted by Sally View Post
                        I don't think, in all seriousness (a rare commodity for me) that an argument for an 'F' on Kelly's forearm can realistically be maintained.

                        There are other marks, apart form the 'F' on the arm. We could also see a 'C' if we chose to.

                        Initials CF? FC?

                        Perhaps that's the real clue to the identity of the murderer. Or perhaps the marks on the right calf are some sort of code?

                        Now that we have two initials we can build a story around them, propose a new suspect perhaps. We can see what we want to see once we allow our imagination to take hold.
                        Hi Sally

                        Now that you mention it, it could be a backwards "G" on that leg. It really resembles teeth marks to me. If we stare at the body long enough we are liable to see whatever we want. I see a pitiful woman who used to be alive and in one piece, butchered by some creep.

                        God Bless

                        RD
                        And the questions always linger, no real answer in sight

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                        • Andy, Raven -

                          It's pictures in the fire, clouds, etc.

                          The idea that murderers/conspiracists leave this sort of 'clue' is a non-starter.

                          They are always cryptic - the first problem. A person who leaves a clue wants to be discovered. Thus, leaving a clue so cryptic that it is invisible for (often) several hundreds of years does not serve the clue-leaver at all.

                          They are always obscure - Why is that? Why, that is because they are not real in the vast majority of cases, but a product of wishful thinking and woolly logic.

                          I would blame Dan Brown, were it not for the fact that Baigent and Co. got there first.

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                          • 1888 Diaries

                            What I always find puzzling is the difficulty which James Maybrick had (in 1888) in locating an 1888 diary in which to record his 1888 diary entries. I can see how getting hold of an unused 1888 diary would pose a problem many years later - but not in 1888.

                            Regards, Bridewell.
                            I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                            • Originally posted by andy1867 View Post
                              FC is interesting....check out where your respective football teams were playing that day...The nearest i can find for Wednesday is that they played Long Eaton in the F.A cup on the 5th of November 1888....plenty of time to get to Whitechapel and back...I suspect a local unknown London side.......Fulham?
                              FC - French Connection?? In the UK? Oh FCUK!
                              Truth is female, since truth is beauty rather than handsomeness; this [...] would certainly explain the saying that a lie could run around the world before Truth has got its, correction, her boots on, since she would have to chose which pair - the idea that any woman in a position to choose would have just one pair of boots being beyond rational belief.
                              Unseen Academicals - Terry Pratchett.

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                              • Originally posted by Phil H View Post
                                Oh, haven't you read the Jack Russell theory??

                                He wore a coat that made a noise when he moved - so he was "Jack the Russeller"!!! (sorry!)
                                ARGH. I laughed out at that. I feel dirty...

                                Originally posted by andy1867 View Post
                                FC is interesting....check out where your respective football teams were playing that day...The nearest i can find for Wednesday is that they played Long Eaton in the F.A cup on the 5th of November 1888....plenty of time to get to Whitechapel and back...I suspect a local unknown London side.......Fulham?
                                You're missing the obvious Andy. Celtic FC were founded in 1888 and played their first match in May of that year, beating Rangers 5-2. Given that Celtic were founded as a charity to help (primarily) poor Irish immigrants, and that Rangers represented the establishment it should be BLATENTLY obvious that this was the work of a derranged Rangers fan (Mary Kelly was Irish after all) and that the FC stands for "F*** Celtic".

                                You're not telling me that nobody else can see that?

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