One Incontrovertible, Unequivocal, Undeniable Fact Which Refutes the Diary

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  • Iconoclast
    Commissioner
    • Aug 2015
    • 4024

    #9451
    Originally posted by Aethelwulf View Post

    Must be a bit gutting though - all those thousands of words and tens of thousands of letters in the diary and you're reduced to a single miserable scratch. Don't worry, you can trot out your own 'best' and 'eyes only' handwriting that usually pops up at this stage. Totally meaningless of course as it has nothing whatsoever to do with Maybrick.
    Not gutting in the slightest. 'Gutting' is having to reply to you lot with your ill-thought-through misinformation in case anyone makes the mistake of thinking my failure to reply represents an inability to reply ...
    Iconoclast
    Materials: HistoryvsMaybrick – Dropbox

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    • Iconoclast
      Commissioner
      • Aug 2015
      • 4024

      #9452
      Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

      Yer I guess way way back in the stone age of 1992 people couldn't find those things out ,

      Back to looking like a fake Maybrick watch and diary.
      Rather put me in mind another easily-achieved conundrum (once you think really hard about it like you must have done there, Fishy) ...

      "But, first, here's Fishy to tell you how to rid the world of all known diseases".

      Iconoclast
      Materials: HistoryvsMaybrick – Dropbox

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      • John Wheat
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Jul 2008
        • 3345

        #9453
        Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

        Not gutting in the slightest. 'Gutting' is having to reply to you lot with your ill-thought-through misinformation in case anyone makes the mistake of thinking my failure to reply represents an inability to reply ...

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        • Iconoclast
          Commissioner
          • Aug 2015
          • 4024

          #9454
          Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

          Immaturity.
          Well, you started it ...

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          Iconoclast
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          • Iconoclast
            Commissioner
            • Aug 2015
            • 4024

            #9455


            What a shame real posters like this character appear to no longer be with us.

            Well worth a read, but the idiotic responses from Boris Badenough are priceless!
            Iconoclast
            Materials: HistoryvsMaybrick – Dropbox

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            • rjpalmer
              Commissioner
              • Mar 2008
              • 4242

              #9456
              I noticed this comment by Caroline Brown over at “the other place.”

              “I think the onus of proof should work both ways, whether it's James Maybrick being accused of serial murder, or the Barretts and the Johnsons being accused of faking the diary and watch.”

              This is a very telling comment, if not by design.

              Both ways? This implies that the “onus of proof” only applies to two positions—those who think the diary is real and those who think it is a modern fake by the Barretts.

              Caz's own position, conveniently enough, doesn’t require any proof.

              What about the onus of proof for those who argue in favor of the Battlecrease provenance?

              What about Eddie Lyons being accused of theft, or the Murphys being accused of lying about where and how they obtained the watch? Or the Barretts being accused of profiting off of stolen goods? Or Anne Graham being accused of lying about her 'in the family' provenance--which Caz is just as guilty of as the most skeptical of the diary skeptics?

              Clearly, the ‘onus of proof’ applies to everyone but Caz.

              Rather convenient, I should think.
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              • John Wheat
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Jul 2008
                • 3345

                #9457
                Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

                Well, you started it ...

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                I rest my case.

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                • FISHY1118
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                  • May 2019
                  • 3607

                  #9458
                  Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

                  Maybe just bought a Lucky Bag and an example of Maybrick's signature happened to be in there?

                  It suddenly all makes such sense ...
                  Or from a man at the pub.

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                  • FISHY1118
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                    • May 2019
                    • 3607

                    #9459
                    Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

                    Rather put me in mind another easily-achieved conundrum (once you think really hard about it like you must have done there, Fishy) ...

                    "But, first, here's Fishy to tell you how to rid the world of all known diseases".

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_ryjjeNc5k
                    Ahh going done the totally irrelevant off topic road are we Ike.? Pity

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                    • Iconoclast
                      Commissioner
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 4024

                      #9460
                      Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                      Ahh going done the totally irrelevant off topic road are we Ike.? Pity
                      Dear God, please tell me you got it?
                      Iconoclast
                      Materials: HistoryvsMaybrick – Dropbox

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                      • FISHY1118
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                        • May 2019
                        • 3607

                        #9461
                        Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

                        Dear God, please tell me you got it?
                        After 9460 who cares?

                        The topic has become like a reality t.v saga . Both fake .

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                        • rjpalmer
                          Commissioner
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4242

                          #9462
                          Here's something I don't recall ever seeing in any book about the Maybrick Diary.

                          Even Robert Smith's chief scientific advisor, Dr. Nicholas Eastaugh, thought the diary was a hoax. I wonder if 'Iconoclast' will now throw Dr. E under the same bus as he has already thrown Baxendale, Rendell, Chittenden, Warren, Fido, Nickell, Giles, Casey Owens, or his favorite, Melvin Harris.

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                          • erobitha
                            Chief Inspector
                            • Apr 2019
                            • 1730

                            #9463
                            Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
                            Here's something I don't recall ever seeing in any book about the Maybrick Diary.

                            Even Robert Smith's chief scientific advisor, Dr. Nicholas Eastaugh, thought the diary was a hoax. I wonder if 'Iconoclast' will now throw Dr. E under the same bus as he has already thrown Baxendale, Rendell, Chittenden, Warren, Fido, Nickell, Giles, Casey Owens, or his favorite, Melvin Harris.

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                            Why did you not show the whole article Roger out of interest? I quite like the bit above it that shows me that Albert claims he wanted to give some of the money, if sold, to charity. Wouldn't be nice to make money out of it he said.

                            First time I saw that. I'm not surprised. It would be something Albert probably would do. Thanks for the heads up.



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                            • Iconoclast
                              Commissioner
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 4024

                              #9464
                              Originally posted by erobitha View Post

                              Why did you not show the whole article Roger out of interest? I quite like the bit above it that shows me that Albert claims he wanted to give some of the money, if sold, to charity. Wouldn't be nice to make money out of it he said.

                              First time I saw that. I'm not surprised. It would be something Albert probably would do. Thanks for the heads up.
                              Personally, I enjoyed the bit where Dr. Forshaw states that "If it is a hoax, it is extremely cleverly done". Not "sort of cleverly" but extremely cleverly, note.

                              Where's your 13-year old on a wet weekend now, RJ?
                              Iconoclast
                              Materials: HistoryvsMaybrick – Dropbox

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                              • rjpalmer
                                Commissioner
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 4242

                                #9465
                                13-year-old? Wet weekend? Is that someone's suggestion, Ike?

                                I'm not surprised that you embrace Dr. Forshaw's quote, though.

                                It must be a great consolation to believe that if you've been bamboozled, you've been bamboozled by someone extremely clever.

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