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  • Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

    I was most certainly not diverting, Fishy. I was ensuring perspective which is so often lacking when people casually dismiss Maybrick as a candidate for Jack.
    Well i knew who i was talking about , and it wasnt ''all other possible candidates'' . Just to clear up any loose ends on the matter.
    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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    • Originally posted by Iconoclast View Post

      PS I think you were too forensic in your list, Tab - by anyone's definition, scratching into the back of a watch is never going to be as fluent or consistent or as straightforward as simply signing onto paper with a pen on a hard surface. I think your comparison shows up very favourably given what he had to work with.
      Too forensic - Don't remember hearing that too often on CSI

      I did my best to take in to account the medium and small size of the watch casing when comparing - It didn't change my opinion unfortunately. I just don't see the similarities. Maybrick could well have made the scratches of course, it being his best effort given the circumstances. But solely on the basis of how the signature looks I also think it could have been anyone else's best effort as well.

      Tab

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      • Originally posted by erobitha View Post

        I’m not sure if you intended to or not, but you have cut off what to me is the the most important similarity.

        The K has a double loop at the top on both. It’s faint on the watch but it is there.
        Hi Ero

        It wasn't intentional, I didn't notice a double loop at the top on the watch (to be fair I am still not sure I do), but I have re-done the image in the interest of fairness. Hope I have captured it this time.

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        • Originally posted by erobitha View Post
          The below are three examples of Maybrick's handwriting. The 1865 Bible inscription (my research found Sarah Ann Taylor born on 2nd of August - matches birthdate in the inscription so I have no doubt it is genuine), the 1881 marriage registration and the 1881 marriage certificate itself.

          The J for example varies significantly across all three examples, and that could be influenced with the type of pen used, ink used, paper type etc. The M on the other hand has almost zero variance from the 1881 certificate to the 1865 bible inscription. It literally is the same.

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          Etching letters into metal requires dexterity that would never be the same as using a pen on paper. So you have to look for commonalities of repeat patterns / traits.
          The "m" is interesting in the marriage registration/licence; the arches are sharp and the middle stem is clearly rounded like a "u". This is a completely different pen movement to the rounded arches and single middle stem of the others. It does seem odd to do such a pivotal letter of ones signature so differently. Not sure it means anything, but it is interesting.

          Tab

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          • i cant see how a inscription on a metal surface would be the same as in a bible cover.
            you got use force on a metal surface.
            probably a monkey grip.

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            • thinking about this watch all day now.
              i couldn't open a back of a pocket watch cover.i use to give my old watch to a horologists.
              this cover has been polished by one my understanding.
              if jack opened it he used he,s favorite knife.?
              could payed a horologists the money he had .
              so he opened it.
              a fake would be done by horologists, you would think .
              ​​​​​​​?

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              • Originally posted by milchmanuk View Post
                thinking about this watch all day now.
                i couldn't open a back of a pocket watch cover.i use to give my old watch to a horologists.
                this cover has been polished by one my understanding.
                if jack opened it he used he,s favorite knife.?
                could payed a horologists the money he had .
                so he opened it.
                a fake would be done by horologists, you would think .
                ​​​​​​​?
                Do you think it could have been done by a petty criminal? It appears Dr Turgoose didn't think so.

                https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...tml?showpage=4
                Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
                JayHartley.com

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                • Originally posted by milchmanuk View Post
                  thinking about this watch all day now.
                  commiserations. if you need something a little more interesting to occupy your mind, try a sheet of blank white paper.

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                  • Originally posted by Aethelwulf View Post

                    commiserations. if you need something a little more interesting to occupy your mind, try a sheet of blank white paper.
                    sorrow pink Floyd

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                    • Originally posted by erobitha View Post

                      Do you think it could have been done by a petty criminal? It appears Dr Turgoose didn't think so.

                      https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...tml?showpage=4
                      it means some one some one with a lot money to pay some one.
                      it,s not cheap.
                      you had to be certain of big payback.
                      my first thoughts when i read this in the sport newspaper 30 odd years ago , it,s bent.

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                      • Originally posted by milchmanuk View Post

                        it means some one some one with a lot money to pay some one.
                        it,s not cheap.
                        you had to be certain of big payback.
                        my first thoughts when i read this in the sport newspaper 30 odd years ago , it,s bent.
                        Yet the same family still own the watch. I guess that big pay day is due any day now.
                        Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
                        JayHartley.com

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                        • Originally posted by erobitha View Post

                          Yet the same family still own the watch. I guess that big pay day is due any day now.
                          If I try to sell the Brooklyn Bridge and no one buys it, does that make me honest?

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                          • Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                            If I try to sell the Brooklyn Bridge and no one buys it, does that make me honest?
                            lol they sold London c bridge

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                            • Originally posted by milchmanuk View Post

                              lol they sold London c bridge
                              to a Texan i think

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                              • Originally posted by erobitha View Post

                                Yet the same family still own the watch. I guess that big pay day is due any day now.
                                this leads me to yesterdays thought's perhaps jack did do the inscriptions with he,a blade.
                                i don't believe it can be done with a pen nib.
                                so by a honest cop criminal possible also.
                                look at the art forger Han van Meegeren, used old vacuum cleaner dirt to rub in his paintings and baked them.
                                and comparison with bible signatures with a tiny watch that is metal , no way they be the same.
                                it,s a specialist's hand.
                                they obviously like the watch.

                                mine went into recycle,

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