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  • Afternoon All,

    It has been brought to my notice that David Barrat accused me recently of mangling something he had previously written, when I posted the following here, on 4th September:

    Originally posted by caz View Post
    I have not been waging a relentless 'PR campaign' over the last 20 years, either on my own or with others, with the aim of debunking Mike Barrett's various 'confessions'.
    Barrat was apparently foaming at the mouth about it, so I just wanted to set the record straight. It's an amusing episode.

    Firstly, I didn't even know what Barrat had previously written, but he evidently believed I was responding directly to his words and totally misinterpreting them.

    Secondly, I was in fact responding to something RJ Palmer had written, right here on this thread, on 22nd August:

    Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
    As for Barrett's confessions being debunked, this is just so much hot air; a PR campaign relentlessly waged by Caroline Brown over a 20+ year period, with the blessing and cooperation of others.
    So I have to wonder if Barrat would have reacted rather differently, had he had done his homework first, noticed my use of quote marks, and worked out that I was quoting RJ Palmer, who did presumably read what Barrat wrote about me and liked it so much that he adapted it for his own use.

    Nothing like original thought, is there?

    Love,

    Caz
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    • And now for something completely different...

      This is not an argument for or against anything in the diary, but more a question of trying to piece together the evidence for what Florie Maybrick did, and who she saw, during her week in London, towards the end of March 1989.

      Bernard Ryan tells us that she wrote letters to her distant cousins, Margaret Baillie and John Baillie Knight, telling Margaret that she would like to stop with her for a few days, and asking John if he would escort her to dinner on Thursday 21st, as she would be stopping alone at Flatman's Hotel that night and disliked dining alone.

      Trevor Christie also has John Knight claiming to be a distant relative of Florie's, so I'm assuming both authors were right, and Margaret and John were not merely close family friends.

      So we have Florie travelling to London and staying at Flatman's for three nights from Thursday 21st to the morning of Sunday 24th, when she and her lover, Alf Brierley, check out and go their separate ways. John confirms meeting up with Florie on the Thursday, and Alf arrived on the Friday. From Sunday to Wednesday night, Florie stays with Margaret, just as her letter suggested, and then returns to Liverpool on the Thursday, in time for Friday's eventful Grand National. While Florie is staying with the 'Misses Baillie' [presumably Margaret lives with her sister?] she has dinner with Michael Maybrick and is also taken by Margaret to see her cousin's solicitors about a separation from James. Lord knows what she was expecting, but if she thought her adultery might help her get a divorce, I imagine the solicitor would have put her straight and strongly advised her not to breathe a word. She may also have been advised that grounds for divorce for a woman were severely limited, but could include physical violence, which may have tempted her into deliberately provoking Jim at the Grand National. If she then saw a second solicitor about a separation, and also discussed her concerns with Dr Hopper, the advice was presumably to stay put and try for a reconciliation, rather than risk being left on her own and penniless, considering the bills she was running up, which James apparently agreed to settle.

      To cut a long story short, it's pretty clear that Florie's main purpose for her trip to London was not to stay with a sick aunt, Godmother or anyone else for, as Ryan puts it: 'a week or so during her first days of recuperation'. If Florie led James and Dr Hopper to believe she went to tend her Godmother, was this ever confirmed by the Countess herself, or by distant cousin Margaret, who had Florie staying with her? If Florie did see her Godmother while in London, which day was this, and how much time did she have to spend with her? The fact remains that whether or not she did see her Godmother at some point, she definitely stayed with distant cousin Margaret, after writing to her about her intentions, and I see no reason why she would not have mentioned any of this to James.

      My mother was an only child, but she had a cousin on her father's side who was always referred to in our family as "Auntie Joan"; a cousin on her mother's side who was always referred to by us all as "Auntie Sybil"; and an uncle, whose wife was always known as "Auntie Mabs" and signed herself that way when writing to us. So who exactly was Florie's 'Aunt M' [for Margaret], if not the same distant cousin Margaret she stayed with during her week in London, who was also one of John's aunts?

      Love,

      Caz
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      Last edited by caz; 10-21-2020, 05:54 PM.
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      • Originally posted by caz View Post
        ...had he had done his homework first...
        Whoops, I'm getting sloppy. The above should of course read: if he had done his homework first.

        One less thing for Barrat to crow about in his next update.

        Love,

        Caz
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        • Originally posted by caz View Post
          ...a question of trying to piece together the evidence for what Florie Maybrick did, and who she saw, during her week in London, towards the end of March 1989.
          Oh lordy, I meant March 1889.

          And I've had a closer look at my mother's family tree [as compiled by my father] and found my dear old "Auntie Katie" from Tooting, who was in fact another of my mother's cousins, and my first cousin once removed. I remember her daughter, who is actually my second cousin, getting married in the 1960s and it was the first wedding I ever attended.

          Of course, Auntie Katie was no more my real aunt than Auntie Joan and Auntie Sybil were, so I suppose in Orsam World she would always have been referred to as "First Cousin Once Removed Katie".

          Love,

          Caz
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          • If - and I do mean if - Florie referred to Margaret Baillie as "Aunt Margaret", because "Distant Cousin Margaret" would have been too silly for words [and I had at least three "Aunties" who were actually my Mum's cousins], then it would appear that Florie did indeed plan to visit her aunt, and stayed with her between 24th and 28th March, following her dirty weekend with Alf. She could also have spent some time with her Godmother, who was understood to have gone under the knife - ahem.

            If Florie's plans included seeing both these women, the confusion could merely have been over which one she said was in need of some TLC, her aunt or her Godmother.

            Love,

            Caz
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