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25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith
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Originally posted by Observer View PostI believe Vincent Bugoliosi has passed on HS.
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View PostBlimey, isn't that longer than the Warren Commission's report?
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostThe only problem with Bugliosi's book is that it's 1,500 pages or so. I may be wrong but I'd think that you might struggle to get it cheaply. Luckily I got it as a birthday present.
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Originally posted by Henry Flower View PostI agree 100% Herlock - that book is an amazing piece of work. Anyone who can read that and still believe in any conspiracy is someone who quite literally cannot and should not be reasoned with.
A friend once asked me about it and I described it by saying that 'it makes Sugden's book on the the ripper look like a hastily written pamphlet!'
It's a pity he couldn't have a crack at the ripper but I doubt he's got another 20 years to spare!
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Hi Henry/Observer,
The only problem with Bugliosi's book is that it's 1,500 pages or so. I may be wrong but I'd think that you might struggle to get it cheaply. Luckily I got it as a birthday present.
One of my favourite bits of conspiracy is about the fingerprints on the rifle. Conspiracy loons say that the Dallas Police never found Oswald's prints. Then they sent the rifle to the FBI who, hey presto, found prints! That's why you get the scene in the movie JFK (a film Bugliosi's calls 'a 3 hour lie') where you see someone pulling Oswalds arm from beneath a shroud to 'plant' fingerprints on the rifle. Bugliosi's just checked all the records and found that it was quite simply the other way around. Dallas Police found prints but they used the method where you place sticky tape over the area and lift off the prints. Unfortunately this often destroys the prints. They sent the gun to the FBI and it was them who couldn't find prints.
There's also a video which I think is still on YouTube where they held a mock trial. I think the guy defending was called Gary Spence. Bugliosi's was the prosecutor. He won of course.
I think Bugliosi's wrote a book on the OJ case too? Haven't managed to get that one yet though.
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Originally posted by Observer View PostHi HS
Thanks for that I'll see if I can find a copy. Yes in my opinion it was Oswald as a lone assassin. I have Bugliosi's "Helter Skelter" which is excellent.
Smith's reasoning as to why Oswald could not have been officer Tippit's murderer is quite simply bizarre. He shows a photograph of officer Tippit's car taken shortly after the murder, and asks "whose is that coat on the back seat", insinuating that there was someone else in Tippit's car on the day he was murdered. Looks nothing like a coat to me. Apparently Jack Ruby entered the hospital where JFK had been taken after his murder, and planted a bullet on the trolley which had carried Senator Connelly. And it goes on.
Offers exceeding the sum of nothing, and less than the sum of 5p will secure the ownership of this book.
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostHi Observer,
If you haven't already read it go for 'Reinventing History' by Vincent Bugliosi. For me it's not just the best researched book on the assassination it's probably the best researched true crime book ever. It took him 20 years to do and he chases down every minute detail, every statement and every conspiracy theory. For me it's absolutely game over. It was Oswald working alone.
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostHi Observer,
If you haven't already read it go for 'Reinventing History' by Vincent Bugliosi. For me it's not just the best researched book on the assassination it's probably the best researched true crime book ever. It took him 20 years to do and he chases down every minute detail, every statement and every conspiracy theory. For me it's absolutely game over. It was Oswald working alone.
Thanks for that I'll see if I can find a copy. Yes in my opinion it was Oswald as a lone assassin. I have Bugliosi's "Helter Skelter" which is excellent.
Smith's reasoning as to why Oswald could not have been officer Tippit's murderer is quite simply bizarre. He shows a photograph of officer Tippit's car taken shortly after the murder, and asks "whose is that coat on the back seat", insinuating that there was someone else in Tippit's car on the day he was murdered. Looks nothing like a coat to me. Apparently Jack Ruby entered the hospital where JFK had been taken after his murder, and planted a bullet on the trolley which had carried Senator Connelly. And it goes on.
Offers exceeding the sum of nothing, and less than the sum of 5p will secure the ownership of this book.
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Originally posted by Observer View PostBy the way, you speak of the silence following the Liverpool conference. The excellent poster Mike J.G. I believe attended the conference in question. Mike, has posted some excellent points with regard to the Diary being a modern hoax here in this thread. Curiously nothing has emerged from Mike J.G. regarding the conference either. Do you think he has been nobbled?
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Originally posted by Observer View PostIndeed Steve. Some of the more high profile "Ripperologists" for want of a better word, have spoken in this thread about the possibility of an "old hoax", again for want of a better word. I suspect therefore that there's a book in the making there. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a book in the not too distant future, dedicated to the "old hoax theory".
You know, I ask myself what are the motives behind the production of such books. In my opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that the Diary is a modern hoax, and yet these books still continue to be produced. Is profit the reason behind such publications? Alternatively, do the authors genuinely believe they have the correct answer to the riddle? I don't know.
I am in the process of reading Matthew Smiths, "JFK The Second Plot". Now the blurb in the inside dust cover is reasonable, it speaks of newly released radio messages recorded at the time of the assassination, new interviews with people involved in the detection of the assassin, etc. All in all a reasonable description of what appears to be new evidence which might suggest a cover-up with regard to the Kennedy assassination. Go read the book! All I'll say is Mathew Smith is a nut. Did I feel robbed? Yes, and I only paid two quid for it in a charity shop. Some poor bugger meanwhile got mugged out of £14 99 when the book was originally purchased.
So it is with certain JTR publications. An "old hoax" ? Buyer beware.
If you haven't already read it go for 'Reinventing History' by Vincent Bugliosi. For me it's not just the best researched book on the assassination it's probably the best researched true crime book ever. It took him 20 years to do and he chases down every minute detail, every statement and every conspiracy theory. For me it's absolutely game over. It was Oswald working alone.
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By the way, you speak of the silence following the Liverpool conference. The excellent poster Mike J.G. I believe attended the conference in question. Mike, has posted some excellent points with regard to the Diary being a modern hoax here in this thread. Curiously nothing has emerged from Mike J.G. regarding the conference either. Do you think he has been nobbled?
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Originally posted by Elamarna View PostIt's now a week since the Liverpool event, and the silence from it has been truly deafening over the diary, both here and at JtR forums. Does anyone know why this is?
Even the Facebook sites are very quiet over the event.
Given we were all told to wait, this seems odd to me.
Any ideas?
Anyone?
Steve
You know, I ask myself what are the motives behind the production of such books. In my opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that the Diary is a modern hoax, and yet these books still continue to be produced. Is profit the reason behind such publications? Alternatively, do the authors genuinely believe they have the correct answer to the riddle? I don't know.
I am in the process of reading Matthew Smiths, "JFK The Second Plot". Now the blurb in the inside dust cover is reasonable, it speaks of newly released radio messages recorded at the time of the assassination, new interviews with people involved in the detection of the assassin, etc. All in all a reasonable description of what appears to be new evidence which might suggest a cover-up with regard to the Kennedy assassination. Go read the book! All I'll say is Mathew Smith is a nut. Did I feel robbed? Yes, and I only paid two quid for it in a charity shop. Some poor bugger meanwhile got mugged out of £14 99 when the book was originally purchased.
So it is with certain JTR publications. An "old hoax" ? Buyer beware.
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