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25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith
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Originally posted by DirectorDave View PostCan someone remind me again what excuse was given that we would gloss over the fact that the handwriting does not match the will?
I'm sure had the scripts looks remotely similar it would have been lauded as positive proof of the diary's authenticity...but because they don't it does not really matter anyway.
This whole fiasco is like a pyramid selling scheme where the ones at the bottom are still ploughing in their money in the hope of enrichment while those at the apex are sunning their arse on a beach somewhere in tropics.
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None of the hand writing matches each other, Diary, will, Dear Boss or saucy jack postcard.
There isn't any satisfactory explanation, (as usual) for anything except Maybrick being in two minds. Or should that be 4 or more minds for each piece of correspondence.
There is precedent in modern criminology for hand writing to change depending on an individuals state of mind though.
Robert Smith seems happy to leave it as a mystery unlikely to be solved. Also, calling into question forensic document examination as an inexact activity. Ultimately it is suggested that the issue is not an important one. (Not the exact wording but the meaning is clear).
Jury is out.
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Originally posted by peg&pie View PostNone of the hand writing matches each other, Diary, will, Dear Boss or saucy jack postcard.
There isn't any satisfactory explanation, (as usual) for anything except Maybrick being in two minds. Or should that be 4 or more minds for each piece of correspondence.
There is precedent in modern criminology for hand writing to change depending on an individuals state of mind though.
Robert Smith seems happy to leave it as a mystery unlikely to be solved. Also, calling into question forensic document examination as an inexact activity. Ultimately it is suggested that the issue is not an important one. (Not the exact wording but the meaning is clear).
Jury is out.
The hoaxer who came up with it should be proud: it has lasted far longer than it deserves. This piece of trash should have been dismissed and shoved into the shadows long ago.Last edited by ChrisGeorge; 09-29-2017, 03:01 PM.Christopher T. George
Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/
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Originally posted by peg&pie View PostNone of the hand writing matches each other, Diary, will, Dear Boss or saucy jack postcard.
There isn't any satisfactory explanation, (as usual) for anything except Maybrick being in two minds. Or should that be 4 or more minds for each piece of correspondence.
There is precedent in modern criminology for hand writing to change depending on an individuals state of mind though.
Robert Smith seems happy to leave it as a mystery unlikely to be solved. Also, calling into question forensic document examination as an inexact activity. Ultimately it is suggested that the issue is not an important one. (Not the exact wording but the meaning is clear).
Jury is out.G U T
There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.
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Originally posted by GUT View PostAnd as pretty much no one thinks Dear Boss or Saucy Jack was written by the killer that doesn’t help.Christopher T. George
Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/
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Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View PostThe Maybrick diary was written in emulation of the Ripper letters. How derivative is that?
If it’s a modern fake, everything makes sense.
Old Fake (1880 to 1920) Why????
Genuine, even whyer. Why write something that could hang you, why hide it in your bedroom, how get it under the floor, why not in his handwriting, why use terms that at best we’re extremely rare at the time?G U T
There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.
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Originally posted by GUT View PostStrange, the whole diary business.
If it’s a modern fake, everything makes sense.
Old Fake (1880 to 1920) Why????
Genuine, even whyer. Why write something that could hang you, why hide it in your bedroom, how get it under the floor, why not in his handwriting, why use terms that at best we’re extremely rare at the time?
I am though prepared to think that Keith Skinner might be right that the Diary "came out of Battlecrease." That is, James Maybrick, the purported writer of the Diary didn't write it, but someone else did after his demise, and that those people living in Battlecrease after the Maybricks fabricated the story. In any case, some person or persons had the brilliant idea of "marrying" in the Diary the on-its-own very famous Maybrick Case of 1889 with the Jack the Ripper Case of 1888 . All power to the unknown person or persons -- brilliantly done. But the Diary is still a piece of trash that has hoodwinked too many people for far too long.
Best regards
ChrisLast edited by ChrisGeorge; 09-29-2017, 04:21 PM.Christopher T. George
Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/
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Originally posted by peg&pie View PostThere is precedent in modern criminology for hand writing to change depending on an individuals state of mind though.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostThere are some signs in the diary that the writer is deliberately affecting an artificial style, most noticeably in the exaggerated crossbars on the letters "t". This isn't anyone's natural handwriting, whether of their normal personality or of an altered state of mind. It's evidently "forced".
I couldn't possibly comment.Christopher T. George
Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/
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Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View PostNo. The jury most certainly is NOT out. The Maybrick Diary is a fake, plain and simple -- even though it still needs a stake driven through its heart to finish it off. 25 years of fakeness -- what a bloody achievement!
The hoaxer who came up with it should be proud: it has lasted far longer than it deserves. This piece of trash should have been dismissed and shoved into the shadows long ago."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View PostFor what it's worth, in Liverpool, in private conversations, Mr. Robert Anderson said the exaggerated crossbar on the letter "t" was "penis-like."
I couldn't possibly comment.
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