Jacob Levy

[GregBaron]

JL or JI?

Indeed. I have wondered whether he were either Sagar or Cox's man. And it would make more sense for the City CID to watch him instead of the alternative.

Cheers.
LC

Me likewise Lynn. The problem with a seeming connection is that it always seems just a little off. He didn't live exactly where we expect Cox or Sagar were surveilling...but he could have been spending time there.....

He wasn't a Polish Jew but a Dutch one I think...

He did live in a perfect spot to be the Berner and/or Mitre Square assassin...

I feel like a Jacob definitely fits somewhere in the puzzle...either Levy or your lad JI....or perhaps both.......?


Greg

[lynn cates]

story

Hello Greg.

"I also find it interesting that Jacob was caged in an asylum and died shortly
thereafter.........!

He also lived right in the heart and was a mad butcher...!

A person of interest certainly..."

Indeed. I have wondered whether he were either Sagar or Cox's man. And it would make more sense for the City CID to watch him instead of the alternative.

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Smoke and mirrors...

Person of interest? Possibly. Suspect-no way. It may just be semantics but I have a problem with calling anyone someone is researching and thinks is viable a "suspect".
I do appreciate any research though that anyone does on anything related to the case, I just think we need to chillax on the trend of calling any Tom dick or Harry a suspect. Give us some kind of solid connection to the crimes at the very least.

While this seems quite reasonable Abby the problem is there are no valid suspects....there's a few conflicting and contradictory names thrown about by supposed authorities......there's a few conflicting and contradictory descriptions uttered by unreliable witnesses...............

We've got nothing.......zero.....nada...zilch....again if you want to only allow the word suspect to names mentioned by authorities I suppose you could argue that.........but my view is that the perp or perps are probably none of the above...........there is no solid connection of anyone to the crimes.................therefore deciding who is a suspect versus a person of interest is a zero sum game in my view...


Greg

[Abby Normal]

Someone who fits a particular profile of the type of killer sought by we students of these crimes should be referred to as a "Person of Interest", rather than a Suspect.....although its semantics, its a bit disheartening to many of us that have studied over many years that we still have named Individuals identified as "Suspects" without any known link to the crimes, the individuals, or crimes similar in nature.

That someone had mental illness seems to be enough...however, if the Canonical Group is little more than a theory, then a motive for murder may exist in some of these cases that doesnt rely on an individual driven to kill by impulses.

Cheers

I totally agree with this.
I find Jacob Levy an intriguing character and he fits some sort of profile. Unfortunately it's Anderson's crazy Jew profile, who via Fido, seems to have set off a 125 year wild goose chase for a crazy Jew. Unfortunately he has absolutely no connection to the case unless we are playing the 6 degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon game.

Person of interest? Possibly. Suspect-no way. It may just be semantics but I have a problem with calling anyone someone is researching and thinks is viable a "suspect".
I do appreciate any research though that anyone does on anything related to the case, I just think we need to chillax on the trend of calling any Tom dick or Harry a suspect. Give us some kind of solid connection to the crimes at the very least.

[GregBaron]

Roaming butcher....

I find Jacob very intriguing y'all and think our researchers have done a fine
job....hopefully more can be unearthed...

The strange behavior of Joseph Levy at Mitre Square sets off some bells with me....

I also find it interesting that Jacob was caged in an asylum and died shortly
thereafter.........!

He also lived right in the heart and was a mad butcher...!

A person of interest certainly...



Greg

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

I believe its likely that this Isaac ties the Berner Street affair to the GSG Lynn. I suspect he was a club member.

Cheers

That sure would be something. If Jacob wasn't a member or the like himself. I believe he would be the only suspect with any real sort of connection to 3 seperate incidents involving these murders. Member or relative a member or something similar to the club. Cousin as potential witness. Apron found literally at brother's doorstep. Not gonna even try and go into GSG.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Syphilis

Upon my recent, very much so, delve into the subject, it would depend on which stage he was in at the possible varying times. His wife could have, how you say, continually dodged the bullet until he was no longer infectious. If so I should say she was a lucky duck at least in one way. Although I think Syphilis had no bearing on the murders. People make choices. Compulsion of that nature is a rarity. Like most people who murder, I think the killer(s) we are searching for made that decision. Morality is like so much makeup, applied.

[Errata]

Hello Errata. Thanks.

"So if he killed because of mental illness, there would be signs. So were there signs?"

Don't know. I'm not a good Levy source. But his symptoms are not unlike my lad. And we KNOW there was a wandering lunatic who frightened ladies at night.

I suppose we must await further research.

Cheers.
LC

I know his initial padded vacation involved straight mania... grandiosity, expansiveness, no sleeping... I don't remember any mention of violence or even of violence thoughts, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. At the time I was looking to see if it was a problem related to syphilis, and it wasn't so I didn't pay much attention after that.

This goes back to the difference between crazy and crazy. There's colloquial crazy, and then there's mental illness which follows certain laws of biology. Mania more so than others because a person can only function so long without sleep. Anyone can kill, but certain illnesses make it vanishingly unlikely. Any number of mental illnesses can cripple a potential killer as badly as a spinal injury or missing limb. So in my mind, having psychiatric problems tends to rule someone out as a killer, not rule them in.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi DLDW
I apologise for the delay in answering your query about jacob and Goulston Street.
TJ actually discovered that Jacobs brother, Isaac, lived in Wentworth buildings, the actual wall on which the GSG was written. Isaac died there in 1891.
Hope this helps.
Keep Well
JImi

I believe its likely that this Isaac ties the Berner Street affair to the GSG Lynn. I suspect he was a club member.

Cheers

[lynn cates]

further research

Hello Errata. Thanks.

"So if he killed because of mental illness, there would be signs. So were there signs?"

Don't know. I'm not a good Levy source. But his symptoms are not unlike my lad. And we KNOW there was a wandering lunatic who frightened ladies at night.

I suppose we must await further research.

Cheers.
LC

[Errata]

Hello Errata.

"So if that's true... why would he be killing prostitutes?"

The mental disturbance.

Cheers.
LC

Which is then a completely different motive than the syphilis revenge story. So he had enough "issues" to land him in an asylum twice. But was he violent? Mental issues manifest differently for everyone. "Invincibility" mania is not the same as "Hair-trigger temper" mania. So if he killed because of mental illness, there would be signs. So were there signs?

I don't inherently object to Levy being a murderer, I just object to him being a murderer for a reason that doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Errata]

Errata
Why do I get the feeling we have discussed this before?
Probably because we have!
As has been told to you before, the infectious period for syphilis is about 6 weeks. After that there is little chance of syphilis being transmitted by sexual relations.
Not my thread so i will stop now.
Jimi

That's not even a little true. Syphilis is contagious into the latent phase, so a person is infectious during primary and secondary stages of the infection. And then during the latent period the person will intermittently flare up again and become infectious again. So thats at least two years of being contagious.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Also

Where did his other brother live? And anything on their Mum?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Thanks Jimi.

Got anything that connects him to Berner Street? Maybe a member of a certain club?

[Jimi]

Sawing Sawdust?

Errata
Why do I get the feeling we have discussed this before?
Probably because we have!
As has been told to you before, the infectious period for syphilis is about 6 weeks. After that there is little chance of syphilis being transmitted by sexual relations.
Not my thread so i will stop now.
Jimi