Jacob Levy

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

I believe its likely that this Isaac ties the Berner Street affair to the GSG Lynn. I suspect he was a club member.

Cheers

That sure would be something. If Jacob wasn't a member or the like himself. I believe he would be the only suspect with any real sort of connection to 3 seperate incidents involving these murders. Member or relative a member or something similar to the club. Cousin as potential witness. Apron found literally at brother's doorstep. Not gonna even try and go into GSG.

[GregBaron]

Roaming butcher....

I find Jacob very intriguing y'all and think our researchers have done a fine
job....hopefully more can be unearthed...

The strange behavior of Joseph Levy at Mitre Square sets off some bells with me....

I also find it interesting that Jacob was caged in an asylum and died shortly
thereafter.........!

He also lived right in the heart and was a mad butcher...!

A person of interest certainly...



Greg

[Abby Normal]

Someone who fits a particular profile of the type of killer sought by we students of these crimes should be referred to as a "Person of Interest", rather than a Suspect.....although its semantics, its a bit disheartening to many of us that have studied over many years that we still have named Individuals identified as "Suspects" without any known link to the crimes, the individuals, or crimes similar in nature.

That someone had mental illness seems to be enough...however, if the Canonical Group is little more than a theory, then a motive for murder may exist in some of these cases that doesnt rely on an individual driven to kill by impulses.

Cheers

I totally agree with this.
I find Jacob Levy an intriguing character and he fits some sort of profile. Unfortunately it's Anderson's crazy Jew profile, who via Fido, seems to have set off a 125 year wild goose chase for a crazy Jew. Unfortunately he has absolutely no connection to the case unless we are playing the 6 degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon game.

Person of interest? Possibly. Suspect-no way. It may just be semantics but I have a problem with calling anyone someone is researching and thinks is viable a "suspect".
I do appreciate any research though that anyone does on anything related to the case, I just think we need to chillax on the trend of calling any Tom dick or Harry a suspect. Give us some kind of solid connection to the crimes at the very least.

[GregBaron]

Smoke and mirrors...

Person of interest? Possibly. Suspect-no way. It may just be semantics but I have a problem with calling anyone someone is researching and thinks is viable a "suspect".
I do appreciate any research though that anyone does on anything related to the case, I just think we need to chillax on the trend of calling any Tom dick or Harry a suspect. Give us some kind of solid connection to the crimes at the very least.

While this seems quite reasonable Abby the problem is there are no valid suspects....there's a few conflicting and contradictory names thrown about by supposed authorities......there's a few conflicting and contradictory descriptions uttered by unreliable witnesses...............

We've got nothing.......zero.....nada...zilch....again if you want to only allow the word suspect to names mentioned by authorities I suppose you could argue that.........but my view is that the perp or perps are probably none of the above...........there is no solid connection of anyone to the crimes.................therefore deciding who is a suspect versus a person of interest is a zero sum game in my view...


Greg

[lynn cates]

story

Hello Greg.

"I also find it interesting that Jacob was caged in an asylum and died shortly
thereafter.........!

He also lived right in the heart and was a mad butcher...!

A person of interest certainly..."

Indeed. I have wondered whether he were either Sagar or Cox's man. And it would make more sense for the City CID to watch him instead of the alternative.

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

JL or JI?

Indeed. I have wondered whether he were either Sagar or Cox's man. And it would make more sense for the City CID to watch him instead of the alternative.

Cheers.
LC

Me likewise Lynn. The problem with a seeming connection is that it always seems just a little off. He didn't live exactly where we expect Cox or Sagar were surveilling...but he could have been spending time there.....

He wasn't a Polish Jew but a Dutch one I think...

He did live in a perfect spot to be the Berner and/or Mitre Square assassin...

I feel like a Jacob definitely fits somewhere in the puzzle...either Levy or your lad JI....or perhaps both.......?


Greg

[DVV]

Kosher double event

Waow...
People are worse than Anderson here around.
After Schwartz saving the bacon of a Jewish club member in Berner Street, here is Hyam saving the Ripper's bacon in Mitre Square.

What a double event.

[Abby Normal]

While this seems quite reasonable Abby the problem is there are no valid suspects....there's a few conflicting and contradictory names thrown about by supposed authorities......there's a few conflicting and contradictory descriptions uttered by unreliable witnesses...............

We've got nothing.......zero.....nada...zilch....again if you want to only allow the word suspect to names mentioned by authorities I suppose you could argue that.........but my view is that the perp or perps are probably none of the above...........there is no solid connection of anyone to the crimes.................therefore deciding who is a suspect versus a person of interest is a zero sum game in my view...


Greg

Hi Greg
I agree that all the suspects are weak, but the best ones out the lot,are at least mentioned by police at the time or have some connection to the crimes.
Kos has a possible ID, and is mentioned by several top police as a suspect.
Druitt, chapman, tumblety, James Kelly are all mentioned by police as suspects or at least persons of interest.
Hutch and even Letch have a connection to the crime scene/victim and also possible red flags about their circumstances.

I know its not much. But it's something.

Not so for Jacob levy. Except that he was a contemperous crazy Jew. I need more than that to label someone a suspect.

And one more log to toss on the fire. Why is everyone looking for crazy Jews? Why not crazy Gentiles? I'll tell you why-because that was Anderson's profile/theory. But according to Anderson himself we already have our crazy Jew so why does the focus on finding a crazy ripper remain a Jew. If you think about it it really shouldn't. Its a red herring.

In all liklihood the ripper has just the same, if not more IMHO chance of being a gentile, so if you think that being crazy is a main criteria, why not look for (do research on) all crazy men at the time and not just single out Jews?

[Paddy]

Joseph and Hyam Levy

Just had a quick glance and found a tree that has Mordicai (isaac) Levy and Sarah his wife and family.
Children stated as Hyam 1810
Esther 1814
Elias 1816
Moss 1818
Joseph 1822
Elizabeth 1826

All born at Aldgate St Botolph Middlesex.
So Joseph Hyam Levy could likely have been Jacobs uncle......
As there are no source records and I have not found any yet, it would have to be verified. But looks highly likely..
Pat...

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Abby

I'm gonna attempt to say this, hope it comes out comprehensible as I am currently under the weather. Jews, Syphilis, and prob a whole host of other notions are likely just red hearings. But, on the night of the "Double Event", we have a Socialist Club with many Jewish members and a topic of why Jews should be socialists and a murder that occurs basically right there. Another murder near a Synagogue, which is near a Jewish club where the Jewish witnesses possibly see the murderer. A piece of apron from the victim underneath a message pertaining to Jews apparently, at a building inhabited by Jews. Once is an occurence, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a pattern. Not sure what that makes it a pattern of. But def a pattern of something. Exploring the "Jewish" aspect of things is a logical thing to do.

[lynn cates]

"Glow Mr. Glow worm, glow."

Hello Greg. Thanks.

"The problem with a seeming connection is that it always seems just a little off. He didn't live exactly where we expect Cox or Sagar were surveilling."

Quite. Not to mention he had no glow worm eyes. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

As it pertains to Levy

I kinda think the notion of him killing Eddowes and going home to deposit his spoils then going the next street over and leaving the apron and GSG as a warning to cousin or maybe brother. Someone suggested before that the message may have been directed at a specific individual. Interesting indeed.

[GregBaron]

Ticks the boxes...

Not so for Jacob levy. Except that he was a contemperous crazy Jew

It's not that he's a Jew Abby but that he's a dude that....

1) Is a butcher
2) Roams the streets at night
3) Steals stuff
4) Solicits prostitutes
5) Has syphilis
6) Drinks too much
7) Is a cousin of Mitre Square witness who freaked out
8) Lives in the heart of the district
9) Could be Cox or Sagar's suspect
10) Was caged in an asylum and expired...

I pulled these from memory off the top....I may have flubbed some and I'm sure there's more.................this dude is interesting whether he's a crazy Jew or a one-eyed dancing Mormon...


Greg

[Abby Normal]

It's not that he's a Jew Abby but that he's a dude that....

1) Is a butcher
2) Roams the streets at night
3) Steals stuff
4) Solicits prostitutes
5) Has syphilis
6) Drinks too much
7) Is a cousin of Mitre Square witness who freaked out
8) Lives in the heart of the district
9) Could be Cox or Sagar's suspect
10) Was caged in an asylum and expired...

I pulled these from memory off the top....I may have flubbed some and I'm sure there's more.................this dude is interesting whether he's a crazy Jew or a one-eyed dancing Mormon...


Greg

Hi Greg and digger
I see where you guys are coming from but I made my points and since this is a Jacob Levy thread I will shut up now.

Hopefully more can be found that connects him to the case.

Props to all who have done research on him, as I said earlier, a very intriguing fellow!

[GregBaron]

Keep your eye on him...

Hi Greg and digger
I see where you guys are coming from but I made my points and since this is a Jacob Levy thread I will shut up now.

Hopefully more can be found that connects him to the case.

Props to all who have done research on him, as I said earlier, a very intriguing fellow!

No problem Abbster..........no reason to cease and desist..

I agree with your point about suspects/persons of interest..

I have no idea if the ripper is Jew, Gentile or Zoroastrian....

I hope Jimi and Tracey and others are able to dig up more about this guy...

Perhaps you have coined the term we should use....a very intriguing fellow...


Greg