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  • Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

    ... then he moved even further away to Poplar High Street.
    -- You really don't have a clue, do you?

    M.
    (Image of Charles Allen Lechmere is by artist Ashton Guilbeaux. Used by permission. Original art-work for sale.)

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    • Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

      -- You really don't have a clue, do you?

      M.
      I'm just following what you said.

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      • Rose Mylett, who has been included by Lechmere's accusers in his list of victims, was murdered in a yard off Poplar High Street.

        Lechmere would have had to make a detour south in order to commit that murder.

        If Lechmere was capable of setting out in completely the wrong direction on his way to work, then what does that do for his accusers' argument that he committed murders on his regular routes to work?



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        • Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
          Maryann Street to Haydon Square: 650m. James Street to Haydon Square: 810m. James Street to Broad Street: 1.6km. Doveton Street to Broad Street: 2.1km. Doveton Street to Poplar High Street: 3.2km.

          Mark D.
          Lechmere's only recorded work location with Pickford's is the Broad Street Station, so where are you getting Haydon Square and Poplar High Street from?

          Also, Google Maps puts Broad Street Station to 22 Doveton Street as 1.7 miles. Where do you get the extra .4 miles?
          "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

          "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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          • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
            Rose Mylett, who has been included by Lechmere's accusers in his list of victims, was murdered in a yard off Poplar High Street.

            Lechmere would have had to make a detour south in order to commit that murder.

            If Lechmere was capable of setting out in completely the wrong direction on his way to work, then what does that do for his accusers' argument that he committed murders on his regular routes to work?
            Only Nichols and Chapman were killed on Lechmere's regular route to work. They were also on Robert Paul's regular route to work. That part of the theory collapses if we ascribe any other victims besides Nichols and Chapman.
            "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

            "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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            • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
              Rose Mylett, who has been included by Lechmere's accusers in his list of victims, was murdered in a yard off Poplar High Street.

              Lechmere would have had to make a detour south in order to commit that murder.

              If Lechmere was capable of setting out in completely the wrong direction on his way to work, then what does that do for his accusers' argument that he committed murders on his regular routes to work?
              Pickfords didn't set up an office at 170 Poplar High Street until after 1899.

              "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

              "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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              • I don't know if you noticed, but we discussed this on JTR Forums sometime back and Robert Clack determined that Pickford's was at No. 107 Poplar High Street in 1889 which he estimated to be about a 5-minute walk from Clark's Yard.

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                Posts #131-#136.

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                • Well, even if it had been open in 1888, where is the evidence that Lechmere used to go to work in 1888 at two different depots?

                  Here is how Edward Stow presents the case for Lechmere having murdered Rose Mylett:


                  So Lechmere, potentially, had reason to be on Poplar High Street.


                  Notice his use of the word potentially, so commonly used in current American English, especially in couldpotentially.

                  Either he could or he could not.

                  Either he had reason or he did not have reason.

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                  • Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                    I don't know if you noticed, but we discussed this on JTR Forums sometime back and Robert Clack determined that Pickford's was at No. 107 Poplar High Street in 1889 which he estimated to be about a 5-minute walk from Clark's Yard.

                    The House Of Lechmere Channel - Jack The Ripper Forums - Ripperology For The 21st Century (jtrforums.com)

                    Posts #131-#136.
                    You know what they say - the first sign of old age is loss of memory. The second will come to me any moment now.

                    Thanks for reminding me.

                    But it is still correct that there is no evidence of Lechmere ever working on Poplar High Street, isn't it?
                    "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                    "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                    • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post



                      Well, even if it had been open in 1888, where is the evidence that Lechmere used to go to work in 1888 at two different depots?

                      Here is how Edward Stow presents the case for Lechmere having murdered Rose Mylett:


                      So Lechmere, potentially, had reason to be on Poplar High Street.


                      Notice his use of the word potentially, so commonly used in current American English, especially in couldpotentially.

                      Either he could or he could not.

                      Either he had reason or he did not have reason.
                      It sounds like he doesn't know if Lechmere had reason, but saying "potentially" makes his having a reason sound more probable.

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                      • Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

                        I'm just following what you said.
                        God. Almighty.

                        No, you aren't.

                        M.
                        Last edited by Mark J D; 10-08-2023, 12:14 AM.
                        (Image of Charles Allen Lechmere is by artist Ashton Guilbeaux. Used by permission. Original art-work for sale.)

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                        • Originally posted by Fiver View Post
                          But it is still correct that there is no evidence of Lechmere ever working on Poplar High Street, isn't it?
                          Yes, you are correct.

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                          • Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

                            God. Almighty.

                            No, you aren't.

                            M.
                            I see now that I misread that part of what you said. But I also see that you're focusing on this one narrow point and ignoring everything else that people are saying in response to your post, presumably because it's the only point that you can successfully contest.

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                            • Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

                              Yes Herlock, and then it was necessary to hypothesize that the move to Doveton Street was forced on him, because one would think that if walking a longer distance was so traumatic for him, he wouldn't have made the move if he had a choice. But then he moved even further away to Poplar High Street.
                              We really shouldn’t be surprised by this kind of thing by now I suppose Lewis but just when we think that it can’t get weirder something like this is suggested.
                              Regards

                              Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                              “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                              • Could someone educate me about the evidence that serial killers murder at locations that they have a family connection to please?
                                Regards

                                Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                                “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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