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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Newbie View Post

    Lech could have easily taken a nap at his mums after work, or before visiting. In some locals, the night clubs close at 5 am.
    Those people seem to manage.
    How many of those locals were 39 years old and had after worked 14 to 18 hours a day for 6 days straight in a household where the infant might have just started sleeping through the night? Assuming that he only worked a 14 hour shift that Saturday, that would get him a 5 hour nap after which he would visit his mother at 2am, covered in blood and toting a few trophy organs. Or he could visit his mum, spend that whole time sleeping instead of actually visiting, leave at midnight, and return home at 2am, covered in blood and toting a few trophy organs.

    How likely is that?

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  • Newbie
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    Dealing with these points:

    * Lechmere's words and actions were those of an innocent man or those of a criminal who repeatedly took stupid and unnecessary risks. None of them were suspicious.
    * There was no "pattern of offending" in Lechmere's life.
    * Lechmere was not "geographically linked" to any of the murder sites. Two took place along the route he walked to work, but it was also the route Robert Paul and probably dozens of other people walked.
    * The timing of the Nichols murder does not hurt Lechmere. Lechmere's time estimate is supported by the testimony of three police officers.
    * The timing of the Chapman murder helps Lechmere - it took place after he would have started work.
    * The timings of the Stride and Eddowes murders help Lechmere. They would have required him to stay up 23+ hours or get up 3+ hours on his only day off.

    All that Scobie's statement proves is that Scobie was given a mixture of falsehoods and speculation masquerading as fact.
    Lech could have easily taken a nap at his mums after work, or before visiting. In some locals, the night clubs close at 5 am.
    Those people seem to manage.
    Last edited by Newbie; 04-03-2024, 06:43 AM.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    low hurdle to clear? your low hurdle to clear seems to be violent and or insane and forget any connection to the case. thats half the male population of london.

    david cohen- another in the long list of pin the tail on the crazy jew. and what does koz have to do with it? and since you mention koz, why isnt he one of your top suspects? at least he was there, has possible eye witness testimoney against him and was a police suspect at the time.
    other lech- where was he in 88? what connection to the case again?
    hardiman- the son of a peripheral witness. zero physical connection to the case. whats his history of violence or insanity? looks like just a tragic history of illness in his family to me.
    David Cohen was violent and in failing health, being institutionalized and dying shortly after the Ripper murders ended. Charles Allen Lechmere had no record of violence and lived for decades after the murders ended. I have no idea why you mention Kosminski - he was non-violent and overwhelmed by compulsions and delusions that would have meant no prostitute would have sought him as a client.

    George Capel Scudamore Lechmere attempted murder against his own wife during an argument. He had an irregular work history and was only semi-employed. He and his wife were separated. He used a knife to slit his wife's throat - most period knife murders were stabbing, with the Ripper being one of the few to slit throats. GSC Lechmere was callous enough to attempt the murder wife his wife was nursing their baby and in front of another small child who ran screaming for help. GSCL was in the workhouse at the time of the Tabram murder, but no known alibi for the other Ripper murders. GCSL was imprisoned shortly after the murders ended and clearly in failing health as he died not long afterwards.

    James Hardiman had a potential reason for hating prostitutes - his wife was dying and his only child dead from inherited syphilis. The murders started shortly after his child's death and his wife's hospitalization. They ended shortly after his wife's death. Hardiman had a geographical link to one of the murders - Chapman was killed in his mother's back yard. Hardiman probably worked as a slaughterer, which would give some knowledge of anatomy, something you wouldn't learn from being a delivery driver. Hardiman lived alone, which would make it far easier to hide trophies than for a suspect whose home swarmed with children. Hardiman also was in failing health and died not long after the murders ended.

    Charles Allen Lechmere has no geographical link to any of the murder sites, no history of violence or criminality, no possible motive, no place to hide trophies, no anatomical skills. His timing is supported by three police. His actions and interactions are supported by Robert Paul. He would have been at work when Chapman was killed. The Double Event would have required staying up 23+ hours or getting up 3+ hours early on his only day off. He lived over three decades after the murders ended.

    The only evidence against Charles Allen Lechmere is he lived in the area and found a body., which makes him no better of a suspect than any of the other men who found one of the bodies.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
    If somebody is convinced that a killer of a number of innocent people has been identified, I would see more problems with clamming up about it than with presenting the case. And I would see even more problems if somebody tried to interfere with that decision. It is interesting how Lechmere only has people lamenting this decision, while other suspects, some of them mentally challenged and poor people, evoke no such motherly affections.
    Defending the accused has been around as long as supectology has been around. And where the suspect has no record of violence, there is often a great deal of sympathy towards the accused. Charles Lechmere currently gets significant attention due to the persistence of his accusers; he is far from the only one being defended. There's a Maybrick thread with over 10,000 posts. There are active threads on Sickert and Hutchinson and recent threads on Druitt, Kosminski and Hyams. Go back further and Dr Gull was popular. Give it another five years and the threads will probably be full of new flavors of the month.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
    Originally posted by drstrange169
    I think we can reasonably safely say "Unknown" did it.

    I disagree.
    Agreed, John. Although I respect drstrange169's statement, I believe that a different "Unknown" did it

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  • John Wheat
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    Originally posted by drstrange169 View Post
    I think we can reasonably safely say "Unknown" did it.
    I disagree.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    Several more? Here is my list of top suspects - again.

    * UN Owen.
    * David Cohen. The suspect was violent and insane. Institutionalized in May 1889. He matches many points of Macnaghten's Kosminski.
    * George Capel Scudamore Lechmere. Semi-employed barber who tried to murder his estranged wife in June 1890. He tried to slit her throat, but failed due to drunkenness, was sentenced to 18 months hard labor and died in 1893 a few months after his release.
    * James Hardiman. May have been a horse slaughterer. Infant daughter died in June 1888 of syphilis inherited from her mother. Hardiman's wife was hospitalized and died in September 1888. Hardiman died of tuberculosis in December 1891.

    Odds are none of the named men were the Ripper, but none of them is ridiculous. All are better suspects than Charles Allen Lechmere, although that's a low hurdle to clear.
    low hurdle to clear? your low hurdle to clear seems to be violent and or insane and forget any connection to the case. thats half the male population of london.

    david cohen- another in the long list of pin the tail on the crazy jew. and what does koz have to do with it? and since you mention koz, why isnt he one of your top suspects? at least he was there, has possible eye witness testimoney against him and was a police suspect at the time.
    other lech- where was he in 88? what connection to the case again?
    hardiman- the son of a peripheral witness. zero physical connection to the case. whats his history of violence or insanity? looks like just a tragic history of illness in his family to me.


    sorry fiver your normally a good poster but this silliness does you no favors. and i would be less harsh but you put forward "suspects" like this while obsessively excoriating a valid suspect like lech, which makes absolutely no sense.
    Last edited by Abby Normal; 03-10-2024, 02:28 PM.

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  • Lewis C
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    Originally posted by drstrange169 View Post
    I think we can reasonably safely say "Unknown" did it.
    I agree.

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  • drstrange169
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    I think we can reasonably safely say "Unknown" did it.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

    Hi Fiver,

    Please tell me about UN Owen.
    UNknOwn.

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  • Lewis C
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    Several more? Here is my list of top suspects - again.

    * UN Owen.
    * David Cohen. The suspect was violent and insane. Institutionalized in May 1889. He matches many points of Macnaghten's Kosminski.
    * George Capel Scudamore Lechmere. Semi-employed barber who tried to murder his estranged wife in June 1890. He tried to slit her throat, but failed due to drunkenness, was sentenced to 18 months hard labor and died in 1893 a few months after his release.
    * James Hardiman. May have been a horse slaughterer. Infant daughter died in June 1888 of syphilis inherited from her mother. Hardiman's wife was hospitalized and died in September 1888. Hardiman died of tuberculosis in December 1891.

    Odds are none of the named men were the Ripper, but none of them is ridiculous. All are better suspects than Charles Allen Lechmere, although that's a low hurdle to clear.
    Hi Fiver,

    Please tell me about UN Owen.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    fiver has posted in the past a list of other people who "are better suspects than lechmere" including james hardiman and even another man named lechmere lol and several others which are frankly ridiculous on the face of it,
    Several more? Here is my list of top suspects - again.

    * UN Owen.
    * David Cohen. The suspect was violent and insane. Institutionalized in May 1889. He matches many points of Macnaghten's Kosminski.
    * George Capel Scudamore Lechmere. Semi-employed barber who tried to murder his estranged wife in June 1890. He tried to slit her throat, but failed due to drunkenness, was sentenced to 18 months hard labor and died in 1893 a few months after his release.
    * James Hardiman. May have been a horse slaughterer. Infant daughter died in June 1888 of syphilis inherited from her mother. Hardiman's wife was hospitalized and died in September 1888. Hardiman died of tuberculosis in December 1891.

    Odds are none of the named men were the Ripper, but none of them is ridiculous. All are better suspects than Charles Allen Lechmere, although that's a low hurdle to clear.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by The Baron View Post
    But is is of course completely honorable، fair and commendable to accuse persons that are no longer among us to defend themselves of being the infamous Jack the Ripper and the Torso murderer, that is how all of us should do the f.... ripperology.



    The Baron
    That is the nature of suspectology and it has been that way since before any of us were born. The problem comes when people adjust facts to fit the theory instead of adjusting the theory to fit the facts. I have seen people claim that Dr Gull's strokes, which began before the murders, were faked so that he could have an alibi for the murders. The best suspectologists acknowledge evidence that points against their theory, but far too often inconvenient facts are ignored.

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  • Admin
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  • John Wheat
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post

    Changing subject, are we? You have still to provide examples of your false claims, John. But you can't. Not a single one. It was all made up, from beginning to end.

    Concentrate on that instead.
    But why would I do the hardwork when someone has already done it? Especially on a theory that is a joke to all but a handful of the ill informed? I notice you have yet to properly refute Fivers claims. If you are so confident about the Lechmere theory then refuting Fivers claims should be a walk in the park.

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