So if you live in Bethnal Green, you won´t kill in Whitechapel?

[Fisherman]

what I find interesting is that the night of the double event, which happened much earlier in the evening then the other murders, was on a Sunday, a day lech was not working.

added to that the first murder, Stride, was south of the other murders, and close by his mums place. which makes sense on his day off he would be visiting her.

Like it or not-its a narrative that fits for lech geographically and time wise.

Coincidence, Abby - sheer coincidence!

[Batman]

what I find interesting is that the night of the double event, which happened much earlier in the evening then the other murders, was on a Sunday, a day lech was not working.

added to that the first murder, Stride, was south of the other murders, and close by his mums place. which makes sense on his day off he would be visiting her.

Like it or not-its a narrative that fits for lech geographically and time wise.

It doesn't. According to Fisherman, Lechmere went back into the murder site with a hand wrapped in Eddowes fecal and blood smeared apron piece because he couldn't find another rag (despite Eddowes having 12 pieces on her and another apron mended piece and despite Lechmere going to work to 'dump organs'). This is because Fisherman needs Lechmere to go back into the heart of the crime area looking like this to dump the apron piece on Goulston St. (for no reason except to dump it, according to Fisherman).

All this despite going north and east the safest way home for Lechmere from work.

[Batman]

Apron piece

The apron piece is often a big obstacle to a lot of suspects.

1. He used up his up cloth with Stride.
2. He had to acquire another cloth.
3. Eddowes inventory had 12 pieces of cloth on her.
4. She also had a mended piece of apron.
5. Yet JtR, despite going through her items (as evidenced around her body) didn't use ANY of these.
6. He deliberately selected to remove a bloody apron piece.

The only explanation for this is that the Goulston St., graffiti was planned.

[Jon Guy]

added to that the first murder, Stride, was south of the other murders, and close by his mums place. which makes sense on his day off he would be visiting her.
Like it or not-its a narrative that fits for lech geographically and time wise.

Hi Abby

Which day was Lechmere off ?
Sat or the Sun ?

[Busy Beaver]

Why is it so hard to answer the one that WAS asked: If the man from Equatorial Guinea is found alone at the murder site with the freshly killed victim, then how can he NOT be a better suspect than anyone with a home address in the vicinity of the murder, but whose whereabouts at the time of the murder are totally unknown?

Answer: If he was blind

[Sam Flynn]

The problem with Stride, quite apart from her being the least Ripper-like canonical murder by far, is that she could well have been killed by a loudmouthed thug, full faced, broad of build and aged about 30. Does that sound like Cross to anybody?

[Sam Flynn]

The apron piece is often a big obstacle to a lot of suspects.

1. He used up his up cloth with Stride.
2. He had to acquire another cloth.
3. Eddowes inventory had 12 pieces of cloth on her.
4. She also had a mended piece of apron.
5. Yet JtR, despite going through her items (as evidenced around her body) didn't use ANY of these.
6. He deliberately selected to remove a bloody apron piece.

The only explanation for this is that the Goulston St., graffiti was planned.

That's a whole other subject, and a major can of worms!

[Fisherman]

Post by Jon Guy:
Fisherman: We have proof that Lechmere was found standing alone in the street in close proximity to a freshly killed victim. I am told at times that he was not "found" there, but since he very apparently WAS, I don´t let that influence me.

So! Here we are, we have a carman who without a shadow of a doubt was present at one of the murder sites, at a time that is seemingly consistent with when the victim was killed.

Jon Guy: Agreed :-)


But these reasons to be at the other crime scenes are just speculation, Christer. I appreciate you have found ties to particular areas, but nothing of any substance.

Was he working Sat 8th Sept ?
Was he working Sat 30th Sept ? If he was, he must have been tired if he was up at 3am, worked a 12hr shift and was wandering around the East End at 2am.

I am not aware that being "tired" has ever stopped a serial killer from indulging in murder, Jon. Generally, people make use of their nights off, especially if they only amount to one per week. Perhaps the pubs were closed on Saturday nights, though? Perhaps every worker slept then?

Yes, as you knew quite well beforehand, it is speculation that he was at the other murder sites. But it is informed speculation. It is logical speculation. And it is NOT speculation that he would have been within a three minute walk from all the Spitalfields murders if he kept to the logical routes.
That is definitively substance enough for people with insights about criminal cases. "There is a pattern of offending, almost an area of offending, to which he is linked, geographically and physically" is how Scobie put it.

Once we KNOW that he is in Bucks Row, completely alone with the victim who is freshly killed and still bleeding, all we can do to check him out is to investigate his logical whereabouts on the other murder mornings. And lo and behold, although the murders could have occurred in any other area of London, they - for some unfathomable reason - just happened to fall in the small Spitalfields area he passed through!

That means that although we cannot place him on the actual spots, we know that his working trek is in line with the suggestion of guilt.

Where could the murders have occurred, Jon? Anywhere. Everywhere. There was no need for them to happen along his logical routes, and the odds that this would happen in six out of six cases are astronomical.

That means, by the way, the odds that he was not the killer are also in the high spectre. Very high.

Now I have other things to tend to - a friend of mine is coming over, and we will discuss the Ripper case. He is a total novice, but he did a Ripper tour last week while in London. He will offer a fresh perspective, I´m sure. I am getting more and more tired of the old stale ones...

See you tomorrow - perhaps.

[Abby Normal]

It doesn't. According to Fisherman, Lechmere went back into the murder site with a hand wrapped in Eddowes fecal and blood smeared apron piece because he couldn't find another rag (despite Eddowes having 12 pieces on her and another apron mended piece and despite Lechmere going to work to 'dump organs'). This is because Fisherman needs Lechmere to go back into the heart of the crime area looking like this to dump the apron piece on Goulston St. (for no reason except to dump it, according to Fisherman).

All this despite going north and east the safest way home for Lechmere from work.

actually it does. he leaves his mums, finds stride nearby, kills her but is interrupted, goes to find another victim with eddowes-satisfied and with goodies-goes to place of work(or somewhere else where he has a mini stash area/bolthole) drops off goodies, maybe grabs chalk and on way back home drops apron, and writes GSG.


the GSG location is also in line geographically and time wise (explains why long didn't see it first time around)with him being the killer as its on his way home from mitre square/ pickfords.

[Sam Flynn]

Where could the murders have occurred, Jon? Anywhere. Everywhere. There was no need for them to happen along his logical routes, and the odds that this would happen in six out of six cases are astronomical

Six times? I make it once for certain, and two at a stretch.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby

Which day was Lechmere off ?
Sat or the Sun ?

Hi Jon
Im assuming hes off on Sunday.

[Jon Guy]

Yes, as you knew quite well beforehand, it is speculation that he was at the other murder sites. But it is informed speculation. It is logical speculation. And it is NOT speculation that he would have been within a three minute walk from all the Spitalfields murders if he kept to the logical routes.

I`m sorry, it`s only speculation tying CL to the other murder sites.

Once we KNOW that he is in Bucks Row, completely alone with the victim who is freshly killed and still bleeding,

Completely alone ?
No, Robert Paul was watching him.
Diemschutz, Davis, and Watkins were all completely alone with the victim who is freshly killed and still bleeding.

all we can do to check him out is to investigate his logical whereabouts on the other murder mornings. And lo and behold, although the murders could have occurred in any other area of London, they - for some unfathomable reason - just happened to fall in the small Spitalfields area he passed through!

Well, if we knew CL`s route to work, and IF the murders occurred along this route, as opposed to the scattering of crime scenes that we have. Spitalfields, St George in The East, Tower Hamlets and the City

Have a great day with your friend !!

[Batman]

actually it does. he leaves his mums, finds stride nearby, kills her but is interrupted, goes to find another victim with eddowes-satisfied and with goodies-goes to place of work(or somewhere else where he has a mini stash area/bolthole) drops off goodies, maybe grabs chalk and on way back home drops apron, and writes GSG.


the GSG location is also in line geographically and time wise (explains why long didn't see it first time around)with him being the killer as its on his way home from mitre square/ pickfords.

So back into the scene of the crime?

[Abby Normal]

So back into the scene of the crime?

you mean Mitre square? no of course not.

[Batman]

you mean Mitre square? no of course not.

Ah, you so you see how silly that sounds right? Yet your model has him going back to Goulston St., on his direction home, which puts him in an area between Mitre Sq., and Goulston St., which is swarming with PCs and plainclothes actively looking for JtR.