So if you live in Bethnal Green, you wonīt kill in Whitechapel?

[caz]

But there are many who pass through Whitechapel on route to the city, quite legitimately. What brings Lechmere into focus is that he found the body. That is what distinguishes him from all the others who would by your argument be, geographically speaking, the best suspect if they had found the body. If Paul had been ten minutes ahead of Lechmere, he might be in your number one slot.

He would have been Fish's number one suspect, etenguy. No doubt about it. Paul was the one who had a rant against the police. Paul lied in the same newspaper by bigging up his own role in the affair. Paul initially failed to attend the inquest. Paul had to be tracked down and got up in the middle of the night to be questioned and made to give his account at the inquest. Paul had as much reason as Cross to be in Hanbury Street the following weekend when Chapman was murdered. Because Paul the liar claimed to arrive at the scene in Buck's Row after Cross, Fish may not have bothered to look in as much detail into any other possible associations in time and place which Paul may have had with other murders.

Not that I believe for a second that Paul should be considered a better suspect, or a suspect at all, but he and Cross should at least have equal 'person of interest' status on the information we do have about them. Yet Fish appears to give Paul a completely free pass for some reason, while insisting that Cross fits all the criteria to be the ripper.

Love,

Caz
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[Fisherman]

He stayed because he had found a body and wanted to draw other witness attention to it, as many, if not all the other witnesses in the C5 did also (but Crow didn't for Tabram).

That is the reason for staying. He chose to do what they also did. Wait for someone to also aid in help.

It is simply inexplicable that the murderer needed to stay there with someone coming in the distance.

It IS explicable that witness should wait for someone else to help.

Again, much as you claim it inexplicable, others claim the opposite. What if you are wrong, Batman? Is that even a remote possibility...? And can you please establish the exact distance Paul was from Lechmere when the latter noticed him? You see, I think that may have a great deal to do with the matter.
Plus, if you please, can you be so nice as to comment on why the clothing hid the wounds, because that too may be totally crucial.

[Fisherman]

No, you have NOT been told this - not even once. Stick to the facts.

You've been told that, among the many thousands of men who actually lived in the area, it is statistically inevitable that scores of them would have made better suspects than Cross, or many other named suspects for that matter.

Actually, Gareth, you are claiming it as a fact that the Ripper and the Torso killer cut flaps from the abdomens for different reasons, so I would not worry too much about how I approach facts.

As I said before, until you produce a man of flesh and blood that was a better suspect than Lechmere, that made-up army of yours isnīt worth anything.

Gary asked the relevant question earlier: Why would the police engage in geographical profiling if they had a man they KNEW passed through the killing fields, had links to all site and had been found alone beside a freshly killed victim?

Itīs doing it the ostridge way.

[Fisherman]

I am going to have to disagree with you Fish. It doesn't matter how many entrances Pickfords had at night. There would almost certainly be a night watchman, at least in a company like that. Cross turning up at that time of a morning would almost certainly be asked why, and that's if the night watchman or whoever stopped him knew him. Was it 200 or at least dozens were employed. For Cross to go there uninvited or unknown without some really good reason he would be taking one hell of a risk.

Actually, slaughtering a woman and cutting her up in an open street is not entirely risk-free either, Darryl.

Many have said before that Lechmere would have been met by a welcome committee when arriving at Pickfords, but so far, nobody has proven it.

[Batman]

Lech turns up for work not long after he murders Polly.
He then turns up for work not long after murdering Annie a week later.
He then turns up at work three weeks later and say, ten minutes after murdering Kate.
Sorry, I don't buy it.

He is also re-visiting at least three of the murder scenes at the same time every day on his day to work, by way of their same model. No beat PC, no investigator out at that time to get insights into the murder, apparently ever noticed him nor stopped him to find a big bloody sharp blade on him.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Lech turns up for work not long after he murders Polly.
He then turns up for work not long after murdering Annie a week later.
He then turns up at work three weeks later and say, ten minutes after murdering Kate.
Sorry, I don't buy it.

[Batman]

There we go again. Nobody said he needed to, what is said is that he CHOSE to. If that could sink in, it would be awfully nice.
He could run. He did not. He chose to stay.

He stayed because he had found a body and wanted to draw other witness attention to it, as many, if not all the other witnesses in the C5 did also (but Crow didn't for Tabram).

That is the reason for staying. He chose to do what they also did. Wait for someone to also aid in help.

It is simply inexplicable that the murderer needed to stay there with someone coming in the distance.

It IS explicable that witness should wait for someone else to help.

[Sam Flynn]

I have been told so many times that there were thousands of dwellers in Whitechapel who were as good or better suspects as Lechmere

No, you have NOT been told this - not even once. Stick to the facts.

You've been told that, among the many thousands of men who actually lived in the area, it is statistically inevitable that scores of them would have made better suspects than Cross, or many other named suspects for that matter.

[Darryl Kenyon]

I am going to have to disagree with you Fish. It doesn't matter how many entrances Pickfords had at night. There would almost certainly be a night watchman, at least in a company like that. Cross turning up at that time of a morning would almost certainly be asked why, and that's if the night watchman or whoever stopped him knew him. Was it 200 or at least dozens were employed. For Cross to go there uninvited or unknown without some really good reason he would be taking one hell of a risk.

[Fisherman]

I know, but it`s my job to make it difficult for you

And a grand job you do of it...

[Jon Guy]

Well... if you promise never to do it again!

Of course ... ;-)

I was providing a generalized picture of things, Jon, which I suspect you will be aware of. I have been told so many times that there were thousands of dwellers in Whitechapel who were as good or better suspects as Lechmere, and since they must all have been on the streets to be viable as competitors, I thought it would be useful to point out what really applies.

I know, but it`s my job to make it difficult for you

[Fisherman]

I must have misread it, sorry
I thought you`d written that the streets were deserted.
Apologies !!

Well... if you promise never to do it again!

I was providing a generalized picture of things, Jon, which I suspect you will be aware of. I have been told so many times that there were thousands of dwellers in Whitechapel who were as good or better suspects as Lechmere, and since they must all have been on the streets to be viable as competitors, I thought it would be useful to point out what really applies.

[Jon Guy]

I had it the other way around.

Yes, I was going to have another look at Neil`s testimony.
It may be different in other newspaper sources.

I was trying to think when Neil would have finished, when his last recorded job was that morning.
I believe he was living at 49 Blythe Street, Bethnal Green.

Edit: PC Neil is last recorded at the mortuary when Spratling arrives 5pm ish ?
If Neil walked from Eagle Place back to Bethnal Green he may have walked down WR past the station and Brady Street

[Jon Guy]

No, Jon, it is not at odds with what I have posted earlier. Maybe you misread it?

I must have misread it, sorry
I thought you`d written that the streets were deserted.
Apologies !!

[Fisherman]

I assumed at first read through that it was the women who were going home.

I had it the other way around.