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  • Pierre
    Inactive
    • Sep 2015
    • 4407

    #256
    Originally posted by Henry Flower View Post
    It's empirically impossible to prove that assertion, Pierre.

    If the past were capable of being changed, and indeed had been changed, you wouldn't know it. And neither would I.

    Unless I were the one who had changed it.

    But that would be telling.
    It is empirically possible to prove it. Experiment:

    This post is now the past.

    Try to change my post here.

    Pierre

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    • Henry Flower
      Inactive
      • Nov 2010
      • 1131

      #257
      There are two ways of changing the past. The first is to make the change before the past has happened, in other words get there first, before time does.

      The second is the same as the first, but in reverse.

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      • Henry Flower
        Inactive
        • Nov 2010
        • 1131

        #258
        Originally posted by Pierre View Post
        It is empirically possible to prove it. Experiment:

        This post is now the past.

        Try to change my post here.

        Pierre
        Pierre, you believe that this post is what you originally wrote. You 'remember' writing it. But this isn't what you originally wrote. I have changed it. You are naturally unaware of this, because the past has been changed, and the post as it now stands has become the past.

        You're welcome.

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        • Abby Normal
          Commissioner
          • Jun 2010
          • 11939

          #259
          Originally posted by Pierre View Post
          It is empirically possible to find a unicorn.
          Experiment:

          This post is now changed.

          Try to change my diapers here.

          Bozo
          past changed!
          Last edited by Abby Normal; 07-25-2017, 01:32 PM.
          "Is all that we see or seem
          but a dream within a dream?"

          -Edgar Allan Poe


          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

          -Frederick G. Abberline

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          • Henry Flower
            Inactive
            • Nov 2010
            • 1131

            #260
            Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
            past changed!

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            • Pierre
              Inactive
              • Sep 2015
              • 4407

              #261
              Originally posted by Henry Flower View Post
              There are two ways of changing the past. The first is to make the change before the past has happened, in other words get there first, before time does.

              The second is the same as the first, but in reverse.
              You can not change something which has not happened. So your idea is wrong.

              Time is just measurement.

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              • Elamarna
                Commissioner
                • Sep 2014
                • 5807

                #262
                Originally posted by Henry Flower View Post
                Pierre, you believe that this post is what you originally wrote. You 'remember' writing it. But this isn't what you originally wrote. I have changed it. You are naturally unaware of this, because the past has been changed, and the post as it now stands has become the past.

                You're welcome.
                Henry
                The problem is you have changed a copy; not the original which remains as it was..

                It does however mean that if the original were lost andd only the copy left we would not know unless the copy were noted and that record kept.

                Steve

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                • Henry Flower
                  Inactive
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1131

                  #263
                  Originally posted by Pierre View Post
                  You can not change something which has not happened. So your idea is wrong.

                  Time is just measurement.
                  Ah no, Pierre. Time is not just measurement. The numbers we adorn it with and describe it with are just measurement, but time is not measurement any more than space or distance are just measurement.

                  Time is the cold-pressed linseed oil into which I lovingly grind certain very rare pigments called 'Pierre' and 'Henry Flower' and 'David or Sam'.

                  The colours are beautiful. I'm surprised you cannot see the radiance, Pierre.

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                  • Pierre
                    Inactive
                    • Sep 2015
                    • 4407

                    #264
                    Originally posted by Henry Flower View Post
                    Pierre, you believe that this post is what you originally wrote. You 'remember' writing it. But this isn't what you originally wrote. I have changed it. You are naturally unaware of this, because the past has been changed, and the post as it now stands has become the past.

                    You're welcome.
                    You are amusing, Henry.

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                    • Henry Flower
                      Inactive
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1131

                      #265
                      Originally posted by Elamarna View Post
                      Henry
                      The problem is you have changed a copy; not the original which remains as it was..

                      It does however mean that if the original were lost andd only the copy left we would not know unless the copy were noted and that record kept.

                      Steve
                      Not so, Steve, it's all changed. All of it. It is a soteriological miracle.

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                      • Pierre
                        Inactive
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 4407

                        #266
                        [QUOTE=Elamarna;423241]

                        Henry
                        The problem is you have changed a copy; not the original which remains as it was..
                        The post has a number. 256. Original post. Not changeable.

                        It does however mean that if the original were lost andd only the copy left we would not know unless the copy were noted and that record kept.

                        Steve
                        So we need systems for checking sources.

                        Pierre

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                        • Abby Normal
                          Commissioner
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 11939

                          #267
                          Time is a function of entropy
                          Time is an illusion
                          Time is an evil hag who steals our youth and murders us all
                          Time flies
                          Time is only a real concept when combined as space-time

                          Time to go take a dump
                          "Is all that we see or seem
                          but a dream within a dream?"

                          -Edgar Allan Poe


                          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                          -Frederick G. Abberline

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                          • Elamarna
                            Commissioner
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 5807

                            #268
                            Originally posted by Henry Flower View Post
                            Not so, Steve, it's all changed. All of it. It is a soteriological miracle.


                            Henry, I don't believe in miracles, and the original is still as it was.

                            Good try.

                            Nice amusement when not too much going on.

                            Steve

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                            • Abby Normal
                              Commissioner
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 11939

                              #269
                              Originally posted by Henry Flower View Post
                              Ah no, Pierre. Time is not just measurement. The numbers we adorn it with and describe it with are just measurement, but time is not measurement any more than space or distance are just measurement.

                              Time is the cold-pressed linseed oil into which I lovingly grind certain very rare pigments called 'Pierre' and 'Henry Flower' and 'David or Sam'.

                              The colours are beautiful. I'm surprised you cannot see the radiance, Pierre.
                              post of the year
                              "Is all that we see or seem
                              but a dream within a dream?"

                              -Edgar Allan Poe


                              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                              -Frederick G. Abberline

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                              • Abby Normal
                                Commissioner
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 11939

                                #270
                                Originally posted by Elamarna View Post
                                Henry, I don't believe in miracles, and the original is still as it was.

                                Good try.

                                Nice amusement when not too much going on.

                                Steve
                                Looks like Time has stolen someones sense of humor
                                "Is all that we see or seem
                                but a dream within a dream?"

                                -Edgar Allan Poe


                                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                                -Frederick G. Abberline

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