Lechmere was Jack the Ripper

[Elamarna]

I wonder if he'd be in the Top Twenty if we factored in the 3,000+ (or whatever) potential Rippers that are yet to be mentioned, all of whom lived closer to the epicentre of the murders than Cross.

I honestly serious doubt that.

Steve

[Abby Normal]

Are you suggesting that just because he found the body that makes him a suspect. There is not one scrap of evidence that points to him being regarded as suspect in the murder of Nicholls or any other of the women. He is crap suspect.

In the grand scheme of things, evidence is what suspects are based on not personal opinions, if that were the case there would be no unsolved crimes in the world.

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Finding the body makes everyone a de facto suspect, until their cleared. You of all people should know that, but dosnt surprise me you dont.

And no he isnt a crap suspect trevor, crap suspects are ones like feigenbaum, remember him? Lol

[MrBarnett]

Jack the Mincer.

With those little legs, most probably.

[Sam Flynn]

that would most likely have been boiled meat that already had the bones removed. Preparing that for retail sale would have required next to nothing in the way of butchery skills or equipment.

Jack the Mincer.

[MrBarnett]

I wonder if he'd be in the Top Twenty if we factored in the 3,000+ (or whatever) potential Rippers that are yet to be mentioned, all of whom lived closer to the epicentre of the murders than Cross.

Gareth, I know you disapprove of the use of this word, but how many of those 3,000 were found with a recently killed victim?

Robert Paul is trudging to work in the wee small hours and spies a man a short distance away from a prostrate women whom he subsequently discovers had been horribly murdered. A man with those hooded, reptilian eyes��. I bet he had his doubts about Lechmere.

Epicentre, schmepicentre. Let me ask you a question. If a man who lived in the City developed homicidal tendencies and decided to go out and slaughter prostitutes in the early morning would he be more likely to hang about outside the Bank of England looking for victims or take a walk to Spitalfields or Whitechapel?

As Sir Edmund Hilary might have said if he had been asked why he'd murdered women near the Whitechapel Road, Commercial Street and Aldgate - 'Because they were there.'

[MrBarnett]

The fact that no one has totally debunked any of the points in favor of Lechmere as a suspect means nothing. Lechmere was a witness and some crackpot has drawn up a bunch of **** in a vain attempt to turn him into a suspect. With the points as they are it's up to said crackpot to prove these points not for others to disprove them. Also on the subject of cat meat butchers there is evidence Bury was at one point a cat meats butcher.

Is there evidence that Bury was a cat's meat butcher? Or just a reference to his having worked for a horse-slaughterer? Knackers were required by law to keep detailed records of all the animals they processed and the larger firms employed clerks to do so. Bury was a factor's clerk at one point, wasn't he? I think it's far more likely that he would have been keeping the knacker's books than slaughtering.

As Abby says Ma Lechmere was at one stage running a cat's meat business, but as far as I know there's no evidence that she was doing so in or prior to 1888.

There is some evidence that makes me think it's likely that CAL at some stage carried horse flesh for Harrison, Barber. But that would most likely have been boiled meat that already had the bones removed. Preparing that for retail sale would have required next to nothing in the way of butchery skills or equipment.

[Sam Flynn]

he is one of less than 20 who can even be considered viable in my view from the 300+ mentioned.

I wonder if he'd be in the Top Twenty if we factored in the 3,000+ (or whatever) potential Rippers that are yet to be mentioned, all of whom lived closer to the epicentre of the murders than Cross.

[Herlock Sholmes]

As with all suspects there are varying degrees in people’s opinions on Lechmere’s candidature. No one will be surprised when I say that my own position is that I’m, at the very least, as confident that Lechmere wasn’t the ripper as Fish is that he was. I understand ‘interest’ in him and I accept that like 99% of suspects he cannot be categorically exonerated but I see very little there apart from the fact that he was there at the time. It baffles me how someone can feel ‘confident’ about him. Well, actually it doesnt

[Elamarna]

Conversely, anyone who thinks he is a suspect based on what is known is also talking the same crap

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Trevor,

I may disagree with you here, not for the first time, but i trust not too seriously tbis time. I think one can refer to CAL as a viable suspect because he lived local, was in the area at the time and may have had the opportunity (heavily dependent on TOD, of course).
Almost sounds like i am defending the pro Lechmere cause.

However saying he is viable does not make him a good suspect. He is far better than any named who were not in London, or who are accounted for elsewhere at the time. Those are the "crap" suspects.

He remains in my 3rd rung of possibilities close to crossing to the 2nd team so to speak, but the promise from earlier performances has not be fulfilled with any solid evidence to justify that promotion.

Of course he would not be a suspect in police terms, but then few if any would be.


Steve

[Trevor Marriott]

I agree on not dismissing him Gary, but lets not use how he looks in a photo, while i know what you mean, the very same can be said for man photos of suspects.


Seriously, he is not a "crap suspect" by a very long way, he is one of less than 20 who can even be considered viaable in my view from the 300+ mentioned.



All the best


Steve

Are you suggesting that just because he found the body that makes him a suspect. There is not one scrap of evidence that points to him being regarded as suspect in the murder of Nicholls or any other of the women. He is crap suspect.

In the grand scheme of things, evidence is what suspects are based on not personal opinions, if that were the case there would be no unsolved crimes in the world.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Elamarna]

Abby,

You've seen the photo of CAL, right?

I'm with you on the 'visceral feel' thing. Science doesn't come into it. Just imagine being Robert Paul and being confronted by that visage.

Not saying Lech is my man, but anyone who dismisses him as a 'crap suspect' is talking crap.

Gary

I agree on not dismissing him Gary, but lets not use how he looks in a photo, while i know what you mean, the very same can be said for man photos of suspects.


Seriously, he is not a "crap suspect" by a very long way, he is one of less than 20 who can even be considered viaable in my view from the 300+ mentioned.



All the best


Steve

[Jon Guy]

I don't see anything odd in that photo of (the older) CAL and, besides, the nature of photography at the time lent itself to people adopting unnatural expressions..

Yes, and Patricia Cornwell seems to have been captivated by that sinister photo of Sickert.

[John Wheat]

Thanks gary
I agree.

I think people need to also remember that even with all this back and forth debate that no one has yet to totally debunk any of the points in favor of his suspect hood. None of the points fish argues has been ruled out.

I also find it extremely interesting that ma lech owned a cats meat shop, and the posibility that the young lech was around alot of butchery and gore and ma lech in charge.

The fact that no one has totally debunked any of the points in favor of Lechmere as a suspect means nothing. Lechmere was a witness and some crackpot has drawn up a bunch of **** in a vain attempt to turn him into a suspect. With the points as they are it's up to said crackpot to prove these points not for others to disprove them. Also on the subject of cat meat butchers there is evidence Bury was at one point a cat meats butcher.

[Trevor Marriott]

Abby,

You've seen the photo of CAL, right?

I'm with you on the 'visceral feel' thing. Science doesn't come into it. Just imagine being Robert Paul and being confronted by that visage.

Not saying Lech is my man, but anyone who dismisses him as a 'crap suspect' is talking crap.

Gary

Conversely, anyone who thinks he is a suspect based on what is known is also talking the same crap

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[Sam Flynn]

You've seen the photo of CAL, right?

I'm with you on the 'visceral feel' thing. Science doesn't come into it. Just imagine being Robert Paul and being confronted by that visage.

I don't see anything odd in that photo of (the older) CAL and, besides, the nature of photography at the time lent itself to people adopting unnatural expressions. My great grandfather was a lovely man, but I have a photo of him taken in the 1910s where he looks like Seweryn Kłosowski and his wife looks like an emotionless ice-maiden, which was also far from the truth.