Lechmere was Jack the Ripper

[Abby Normal]

Meh.
Seen Abby Normal on YouTube,you're not that bad

not me they suck and they stole the band name from my band I played with in jr high!

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Please ignore the above post. And the one above that. And this one.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Please ignore.

Misread post.

Monty

Is this post on the wrong thread Monty?

[Monty]

Please ignore.

Misread post.

Monty

[DJA]

although I agree most criminals in the situation would take off, I can see being caught in the act someone trying to bluff it out. Ive seen it-literally experienced it.

Meh.
Seen Abby Normal on YouTube,you're not that bad

[drstrange169]

Hello hill806,

Flies die off in the cold. Their eggs hatch in the warm weather. Given the temperature that morning, you would not expect flies. Interesting thought though.

With regards to Lechmere being a meat deliverer, there is no evidence to suggest that. It seems the dubious notion came about from some false claims in a TV show.

Even if he did deliver meat, Pickford carts carried per-slaughtered carcasses wrapped in linen and contained in baskets, which were loaded by railway porters, not the drivers. Drivers would not have bloody aprons.

If Lechmere killed whist he was working then somebody would have seen the Pickfords cart outside number 29. Theft was very common from the carts so leaving a cart unattended was a major no-no. Also, as a long term employee, he may have driven the larger carts (which paid higher wages), these carts were manned by two people.

Cats meat sellers bought their meat from the slaughter houses. Pickfords would not have delivered such small consignments of meat, catsmeat was essentially the off cuts and fag ends.

As Phillips observed, the major nature of the mutilations would have been a factor in the rapid cooling of the body. Contrary to CSI shows, time of death is still a very difficult and inexact science, in the Victorian era it was little more than guesswork.

[drstrange169]

>> It’s also worth remembering that as the murders progressed not one single police officer said “what about that bloke that found the first body?<<

As far as the police at the time were concerned, Mrs Nichols wasn't "the first body". Macnaghton didn't come up with his theory until six years after the murders he named.

[FISHY1118]

It’s also worth remembering that as the murders progressed not one single police officer said “what about that bloke that found the first body? Let’s have another look at him.” They suspected all manner of people. They interviewed many. But the man that found a body and was alone with it raised no level of suspicion. Not conclusive in itself of course but worth noting.totally agree .... for the first time . one thing tho, id say its more than conclusive, so a bonus point.

[hill806]

"NOT" having her doss money I meant sorry.

[hill806]

If the body of Chapman had in fact only been there recently, then that would have removed the possibility of there being flies swarming. Im not an expert on flies and how long they take to be attracted to a dead body or anything I just wanted to throw up fresh idea's, unless it was already mentioned after page 18 of course. Also, another reason she may have been as cold as she was when Phillips examined her could have been due to her not finding another client for most of that night after being kicked out of her lodgings for having her doss money. She may have had to sleep rough most of that night in the cold.

[hill806]

Ive just been reading some of these posts as ive been off for a few years so im catching up. Im on page 18 right now. I just had a couple of thoughts regarding Chapman's body and Richardson not seeing the body. If what Dr Phillip's said was true and her body had been there for hours, would her body not have attracted flies by now? If so I would find it impossible for Richardson not to at least have heard the flies, or had some even annoyingly flying round him. If there had of been, then there would have been no way he wouldn't have made some kind of effort in trying to find out where the flies were coming from. Another thought, one that can still support the killer being Lechmere being the killer while allowing Richardson to not have seen a body, is that his job is meant to be a meat deliverer at Pickfords? I pesume that's what his job was. Well, if thats the case then he did not need to kill on the way to work thus making himself late, but instead killing while he was meant to be working, as his job involved him being out and about while also wearing an apron and having blood on himself. Also If I remember correctly, 29 Hanbury street apparently had a shop window, or used to, where they would have been selling catmeat. Would pickfords have been able to deliver this kind of meat to 29 Hanbury street?

[Herlock Sholmes]

And to compound my error I’ve just responded to a post that Abby made last year.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Albie
Good question and one that I put forth too-as I have major problem with a body part keeper doing this on his way to work.

I believe Fish has stated that he could have kept them in a location at work-secreted away somewhere or in a private locker.

What about the smell or leakage I said?

perhaps in a jar said fish. possible I guess.

Damn!

I saw this thread highlighted and I thought that Pierre had returned from the wilderness?

I know that you miss him Abby

[hill806]

Another thought, why didn't any of the collected organs ever turn up? surely they would have had to at some point. (Ex: the ripper dies and landlord or landlady finds them stored in his rented room.) Another thought is that the Ripper possibly had someone he didn't want finding his blooded apron that he had got from Eddows. A wife or landlord say, and so he dropped it and left it in Goulston street. If that was the case then surely he would have had one of them he lived with find his jared organs at some point. I mean we know the ripper was a sadist, but could he have collected the organs to satisfy any kind of cannibalistic cravings? If this was the case then it would make sense that no organs were ever found in a jar or rotting in an old work locker.

[hill806]

Iv'e not read all the posts recently so dont know if it was already mentioned, but Polly Nichols was last seen at the corner of Osborn Street and Whitechapel Road at approximately 02:30 one hour before her death. She said she would soon earn the money on the street with the help of a new bonnet she had acquired. Im going to guess she then walked down Whitechapel road looking for another client. I think I heard that the walking distance works out at about 12-ish minutes. Lichmere was on his way to work, so for him to have been Nicholl's killer he would have had to meet her somewhere outside Bucks Row at just the right time. He then would have had to take her back into Bucks row to murder her. (More time gone) Bucks Row was notoriously dangerous so cant imagine Nicholl's venturing down there alone. Also it was dark and lonely so I doubt she would have thought she could find a client down there. She would have stayed somewhere public where more potential clients would be. For it to be Lichmere there has to be a huge amount of luck that upon exiting Bucks row he happened to find Nicholls alone, with nobody else around. Did he then think to himself "I've got time for a spot of murder and mutilation, ill only be a bit late for work." She clearly trusted her killer well enough to for him to take her down Bucks Row alone. I always wondered if she may have known her killer for this reason? That's only a thought not a fact though anyway. Lichmere had gained enough trust with paul in that he believed he had in fact just found the body of Nichols just before he entered Bucks Row. Why not kill Paul too? Then he could have just walked away without even speaking to a policeman at all. These are only idea's, im not shredding anybodys theories to pieces, im just curious about a few things that's all.