Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[paul g]

G'day Paul

You mean it doesn't still?

Yeah but now I'm too slow to catch them lol and football my legs won,t do what my brain wants them to do.

[Phil Carter]

........EVERYTHING that can blow this clearly concocted story to smithereens should be thrown slap bang down on the table in front of the persons behind this nonsense for them to answer otherwise.

The provenance of the Amos Simpson shawl story comes before the ownership of the shawl- or whatever the blasted thing is.

IMO It is physically impossible for Simpson to have left N division and get to Mitre Square after the murder happened and not meet the doctors and policemen- and by dint of the sketch of the bodw WITHOUT the 8ft piece of material- he cannot have done it without having left N division before or at best as the murder was committed.

That proves the Amos Simpson story to be untrue. Which is the basis for the ownership of the shawl


Phil

Hello Monty,

You are a recognised expert in the field of distances and time used by various people in this case- therefore I would value your opinion concerning time used vis a vis the above.

Am I correct in my assertions about Amos Simpson? What is the earliest ETA for Simpson in Mitre Square if he heard about the killing whilst in N division territory?

with appreciation

Phil

[paul g]

Thanks for the reply and so Informative. I can only agree with your recommendation of approach and sometimes I/we forget logic and common sense.

[GUT]

Yeah but now I'm too slow to catch them lol and football my legs won,t do what my brain wants them to do.

Yeah know what you mean, but it's still fun.

[paul g]

Hello Paul G.

"Does anyone think there might be evidence in the book that at this point has not been revealed by the author or associates."

No.

Cheers.
LC

I suspect that will be correct Lynn but I'm hoping my gut feeling is wrong.

[paul g]

Possibly the best post ever.

Obviously I wrote it

[Jeff Leahy]

Hello Monty,

You are a recognised expert in the field of distances and time used by various people in this case- therefore I would value your opinion concerning time used vis a vis the above.

Am I correct in my assertions about Amos Simpson? What is the earliest ETA for Simpson in Mitre Square if he heard about the killing whilst in N division territory?

with appreciation

Phil

Yeah simpson left his front door on the morning of 30th September with a 8 metre dinning room clothe under his arm..or perhaps the kiler (JtR) did? Or perhaps Eddows herself came across such a wealthy artefact? and decided to keep it just incase she required a dinner party with Micheal Kidney, James Maybrick and Lewis Carol?

THe so called 'shawl' is just a red herring. But I guess you'd like that? Take away from the facts wouldn't it?

Yours jeff

[Observer]

Hi Observer

Yes you get to the heart of it. I can only tel you what I understood at the time, and please understand that at that time I was rather hoping it was real.

Andy was at that time working at the V&A and had the daisy pattern checked out. The conclusion was that it was to late i.e. Edwardian. From memory I think that date was 1902-04 but I;m certain anyone could check that with Andy (Last I spoke to him he had not been well)

Its an Edwardian Table runner. About 8 meters in Length and 2 Metres wide.

If Cathrine Eddows owned this (Stollen) then why did she simply not porn it and have the night of her life?

Why would Aron Kosminski (If he were JtR, and I seem to be the only person credibly questioning this) why would he carry an 8 metre clothe that would restrict his movements? Its silly, is it not?

But more importantly what are the chances of either Victim or KIllre being caught at said same time with the damn length of fabric?

It simply don't make sense, and the time frames are impossible

Yours Jeff

Ok Jeff. Perhaps it's time for an expert in textiles to have another gander at it. If it's Edwardian DNA testing is moot.

Regards

Observer

[Wickerman]

I think the fly in the ointment is the fact this textile cannot be placed at the murder scene, nor placed in the possession of either the Eddowes family nor the Kozminski family at any time.

That fact alone calls into the question the 'pioneering' procedure that turned up this DNA to begin with.

[Phil Carter]

I think the fly in the ointment is the fact this textile cannot be placed at the murder scene, nor placed in the possession of either the Eddowes family nor the Kozminski family at any time.

That fact alone calls into the question the 'pioneering' procedure that turned up this DNA to begin with.

Hello Jon,

Agreed. Additionally, Imo there are problems at every level even before the evidence regarding the mtDNA business is looked at. There are many holes in this presentation.

regards

Phil

[Wickerman]

Hi Phil.
I think we need to know more about this procedure.

M-Vac is a well known and recent innovation..

http://www.defrostingcoldcases.com/wet-vacuum-forensic-dna-collection-continues-to-gain-support/

But, the procedure used by Dr. Louhelainen he explained was developed by himself.
Louhelainen did not develop M-Vac.

So what is he talking about?

[Paddy]

Dating the Shawl

Andy was at that time working at the V&A and had the daisy pattern checked out. The conclusion was that it was to late i.e. Edwardian. From memory I think that date was 1902-04 but I;m certain anyone could check that with Andy (Last I spoke to him he had not been well)

Jeff can you tell me what year the shawl was dated at the V & A ?

Thanks
Pat..........

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil.
I think we need to know more about this procedure.

M-Vac is a well known and recent innovation..

http://www.defrostingcoldcases.com/wet-vacuum-forensic-dna-collection-continues-to-gain-support/

But, the procedure used by Dr. Louhelainen he explained was developed by himself.
Louhelainen did not develop M-Vac.

So what is he talking about?

Hello Jon,

I have tried to find an answer to that today because I was asked by a daily newspaper here. I havent found a clear answer- and his own explanation isnt too clear. I am in contact with an aquaintance in Finland to see if any papers on the methodology used has been published in Finnish- his native tongue- despite him working in Liverpool.

I hope that way we way get a clearer explanation. I have a feeling I may be disappointed though.

regards

Phil

[Tecs]

then why did she simply not porn it and have the night of her life?

Well, she was a prostitute and many of them do branch out into other "adult" activities.....

[Tom_Wescott]

Just a note that if anyone not familiar with what the Eddowes shawl is would prefer not to have to spend $20 to find out, my book is available on Kindle for $2.99 and gives a pretty good synopsis of its alleged (and that's the key word) history. Also, I think the rest of the book is a pretty good read as well.

The title of this thread is the name of the book.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott