AI Kosminski?

[Lewis C]

That doesn't change a thing.

The police suspected a man called Kosminski, that man was mentally ill, there were many circumstances that made him a STRONG suspect, he was identified by an eyewitness and a police officer, he had been watched day and night by the police, and after been committed to an Asylum no further crimes of that kind took place in London.

I trust Swanson.


The Baron

Hi Baron,

What it changes is that it means that Aaron Kosminski could be innocent even if Swanson was right.

[The Baron]

Not that we even know for sure that we have the right Kosminski.

That doesn't change a thing.

The police suspected a man called Kosminski, that man was mentally ill, there were many circumstances that made him a STRONG suspect, he was identified by an eyewitness and a police officer, he had been watched day and night by the police, and after been committed to an Asylum no further crimes of that kind took place in London.

I trust Swanson.


The Baron

[Elamarna]

Fair points Steve. But I'm not remotely convinced Kosminski was the Ripper. Not that we even know for sure that we have the right Kosminski.

Your last point is also very fair

Steve

[John Wheat]

With all due respect John, your views appear to be based on Sugden's arguments, things have moved on alot since then.

The descriptions of him eating from gutters are from February 1891.
We know that attack was not his first and that the first attack was some 6 years previous, that is clear from the committal papers.
We also know that he appeared in court in December 1889.
One report Lloyds Weekly, suggests that his brother spoke for him. However, the part verbatim report in City Press, clearly indicates he in fact spoke for himself and did not it seems appear abnormal in his behaviour.
We really have no idea how he was in 1888.

But each to his own John.

Fair points Steve. But I'm not remotely convinced Kosminski was the Ripper. Not that we even know for sure that we have the right Kosminski.

[Elamarna]

Why would any prostitute go with a man who ate from the gutter? Also if Kosminski was mentally ill, babling etc wouldn't that put off prostitutes. Im pretty sure Kosminski is suspected of being a schizophrenic. There are more often than not tell tale signs that would likely put off prostitutes who would likely be more vigilant as the Ripper murders continued. Also I don't believe the Police knew what they were dealing with maybe the mentally ill Jewish Kosminski was what the Police expected the Ripper to be? Rather than the ordinary looking man he probably was. And another thing I think one incident has clouded a lot of people as to how largely docile Kosminski seems to have been.

With all due respect John, your views appear to be based on Sugden's arguments, things have moved on alot since then.

The descriptions of him eating from gutters are from February 1891.
We know that attack was not his first and that the first attack was some 6 years previous, that is clear from the committal papers.
We also know that he appeared in court in December 1889.
One report Lloyds Weekly, suggests that his brother spoke for him. However, the part verbatim report in City Press, clearly indicates he in fact spoke for himself and did not it seems appear abnormal in his behaviour.
We really have no idea how he was in 1888.

But each to his own John.

[John Wheat]

It is not about what we 136 years later believe John, its about all the circumstances that made Kosminski a strong suspect, which we may not know everyithing about, and the identification of him by an eyewitness.

I realy don't see we have any other suspect, I mean none, zero.

Bury is a person of interest for sure, but there is no direct evidence against him that connects him to the crimes, and if Mckenzie was a ripper victim too, and she very well might have been, then Bury is not the Ripper.

And why the hell a mentally ill person from Whitechapel, who roamed the streets hearing voices in his head, couldn't have been the ripper?!



The Baron

Why would any prostitute go with a man who ate from the gutter? Also if Kosminski was mentally ill, babling etc wouldn't that put off prostitutes. Im pretty sure Kosminski is suspected of being a schizophrenic. There are more often than not tell tale signs that would likely put off prostitutes who would likely be more vigilant as the Ripper murders continued. Also I don't believe the Police knew what they were dealing with maybe the mentally ill Jewish Kosminski was what the Police expected the Ripper to be? Rather than the ordinary looking man he probably was. And another thing I think one incident has clouded a lot of people as to how largely docile Kosminski seems to have been.

[The Baron]

It is not about what we 136 years later believe John, its about all the circumstances that made Kosminski a strong suspect, which we may not know everyithing about, and the identification of him by an eyewitness.

I realy don't see we have any other suspect, I mean none, zero.

Bury is a person of interest for sure, but there is no direct evidence against him that connects him to the crimes, and if Mckenzie was a ripper victim too, and she very well might have been, then Bury is not the Ripper.

And why the hell a mentally ill person from Whitechapel, who roamed the streets hearing voices in his head, couldn't have been the ripper?!



The Baron

[John Wheat]

Or wrong

Steve

Fair point Steve. Although I find it hard to believe that Kosminski was the Ripper.

[Elamarna]

That doesn't stop me being right.

Or wrong

Steve

[John Wheat]

Many will disagree with you John.

steve

That doesn't stop me being right.

[Elamarna]

The only problem is its highly unlikely Kosminski was the Ripper.

Many will disagree with you John.

steve

[John Wheat]

The only problem is its highly unlikely Kosminski was the Ripper.

[Ms Diddles]

Wow! So A- Koz was hot stuff?!

I somehow doubt that anyone who looked like that would need to indulge in excessive solitary vices, but each to their own!

[rjpalmer]

So Johnny Depp in "From Hell" movie was not that far away from resembling the real Jack The Ripper


The Baron

Yup. It's Johnny. Heavily doused with Dior's Sauvage and sporting a $600 haircut from Severin Klosowski's salon. AI nailed him at last.

[The Baron]

So Johnny Depp in "From Hell" movie was not that far away from resembling the real Jack The Ripper


The Baron