Continuation of “Possibility for the Seaside Home”

[DJA]

A better view of PI's photos .....

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

A better view of PI's photos .....

Thanks.

If I can work out how to do that, I will in future.

[DJA]

Thanks.

If I can work out how to do that, I will in future.

No sweat.

The drawing was done in 1891.

The 'photo is from 1910.

[DJA]

Couple more,the first is from the 1950s.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Here you are

https://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=311

Its based on accepting the Identification took place, and then who fits the criteria.

Jewish, what they saw would convict and a fes MORE.

I was surprised how low Lawende come out if I am honest.

But it's simple my opinion, not fact

Steve

I have just finished listening to it.

Although the narrator tends to the view that, because he is reported to have cooperated with the police in later identification attempts, Lawende would not have refused to testify against a Jewish suspect, he does not mention the fact that he testified against a Jewish suspect in 1876.

I'm sure that that is at least the third time that I've mentioned this on this forum, so I don't know whether it yet qualifies to be an obsession, but I suggest that it should be enough to rule out Lawende.

As for Jacob Levy, I believe he was 5 foot 3 inches tall, whereas Lawende's suspect was 5 ft 7 to 5 ft 8 ins tall.

In my opinion, that discussion reinforces my submission that there really is no reason to suppose that the Anderson-Swanson story is true.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

My post was ......

Absolute nonsense.

I grew up with post WW2 Jewish refugees,two whom rented rooms in our home.

One son,Thomas, was my best friend.

Only one,Mr Distelman,would meet your criteria.Lovely man who rode a motor bike.


My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account


In fact my family resided diagonally opposite an enormous mansion owned and run by Jews for refugee Jews of WW2.

Both my late mother and I have been employed by Jews.

Most would have no idea any were Jews,unless they told you.
That included Mr Distelman.

My post was ......

Absolute nonsense.

Could you please clarify whether you are saying that your own post was absolute nonsense or that I have said absolute nonsense?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

You talked and talked and didn't give any answer to my two questions, exactly as I've expected.

-You were not able to give specific details how a young jew in his 20s looks like, instead you posted some pic of newly arrived men, being provided with a frugal meal, as if Kosminski in 1888 must have looked someting like that, a very poor quality pic that gives no details what so ever.

-And you failed to give the slightest of info how a Sailor must have looked like, Do you know why Lawende said "has the apearence of a sailor" ? Why didn't he say he IS a sailor? You know why? Because he was more clever than some biased and fixed new age 'researchers' and gave only his impression which could have been right or wrong



Do those people look jewish to you?
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TB

You seem to be wanting to pick a fight with me.

Perhaps you would be so good as to explain why.

As for the two photos which you have attached, what exactly is your point?

Are you saying that the people in the photographs were Jewish but don't look Jewish?

[DJA]

My post was ......

Absolute nonsense.

Could you please clarify whether you are saying that your own post was absolute nonsense or that I have said absolute nonsense?

The latter.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Is that a supposition or a fact?

And what exactly makes it nonsensical?

The only part you quoted was as follows:

Someone else made a similar point - although more politely than you - that he had met two European Jews after the Second World War and they were not recognisably Jewish.

What was wrong with what I wrote?

[Elamarna]

I have just finished listening to it.

Although the narrator tends to the view that, because he is reported to have cooperated with the police in later identification attempts, Lawende would not have refused to testify against a Jewish suspect, he does not mention the fact that he testified against a Jewish suspect in 1876.

I'm sure that that is at least the third time that I've mentioned this on this forum, so I don't know whether it yet qualifies to be an obsession, but I suggest that it should be enough to rule out Lawende.

As for Jacob Levy, I believe he was 5 foot 3 inches tall, whereas Lawende's suspect was 5 ft 7 to 5 ft 8 ins tall.

In my opinion, that discussion reinforces my submission that there really is no reason to suppose that the Anderson-Swanson story is true.

The Narrator is myself.
That I didn't mention the earlier case is an omission on my part. But if I had included it, it would simply further support the conclusion I suggest.
I don't consider Lawende is the witness, he doesn't actually make the top 3 does he?

That you wish to believe Anderson and Swanson lied or invented the account is your choice and your right.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Well, if the Seaside home mentioned by Swanson could be a confusion with the Sailors Home in Well St [now Ensign St], or the nearby Destitute Sailors' Asylum which was on the next street , Dock St, it may explain a lot.

Lawende is taken to either, for an ID [ what better place to identify someone who had the appearance of a sailor than in a place full of them ]

Kosminski is taken with difficulty to said place, The locations are less than a mile from Mitre Sq and Aldgate [Butchers row suspect?], in City Police territory [watched by City Police, so in effect their suspect for Catherine's murder] and less than a mile from Lawende's workplace, St Mary Axe.

And is then picked out by Lawende the minute Lawende is confronted with Kosminski.

A suspect who had the appearance of a sailor but wasn't, yet picked out by a witness at a Sailors home after perhaps looking at a few other seamen beforehand. Especially if afterwards when Lawende found out that Kosminski wasn't a sailor but a fellow Jew, after all the time previously believing he saw a sailor that fateful night. Even if Lawende says he wasn't positive and reminded the Police that he only had a cursory glance at the murderer it might have hardened the thoughts of Anderson and maybe Swanson over time that Kosminski was their man and that Lawende didn't want the murderers hanging left on his mind [ Swanson's words ]

Regards Darryl

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I have just finished listening to it.

Although the narrator tends to the view that, because he is reported to have cooperated with the police in later identification attempts, Lawende would not have refused to testify against a Jewish suspect, he does not mention the fact that he testified against a Jewish suspect in 1876.

I'm sure that that is at least the third time that I've mentioned this on this forum, so I don't know whether it yet qualifies to be an obsession, but I suggest that it should be enough to rule out Lawende.

As for Jacob Levy, I believe he was 5 foot 3 inches tall, whereas Lawende's suspect was 5 ft 7 to 5 ft 8 ins tall.

In my opinion, that discussion reinforces my submission that there really is no reason to suppose that the Anderson-Swanson story is true.

P.S. I would just add that the narrator's speculation that the alleged witness may have seen the murderer in the act of killing or mutilating a victim is rather far-fetched.

I think I can see why he makes that suggestion: unless the alleged witness saw something very incriminating, then his testimony could not be so vital to a prosecution case that without it it could not proceed.

I would point out that Anderson described his witness as 'the only person who had ever had a good view of the murderer'.

He does not describe him as 'the only person who ever saw the murderer with a victim'.

[The Baron]

As for the two photos which you have attached, what exactly is your point?

Are you saying that the people in the photographs were Jewish but don't look Jewish?

That just shows your ignorance

Those are Kosminski's family.


TB

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

That just shows your ignorance

Those are Kosminski's family.


TB

I have seen them before, but couldn't remember where.

I would say the man would have been considered to have looked Jewish in Whitechapel at that time.

You've just directed a personal insult at me.

Will you withdraw it?

I would prefer that to having to get down into the gutter with you.

Before you reply, can you explain to the membership here how, if you think the Kosminski family did not look Jewish, it was possible for Kosminski to be identified as a Jew at the Seaside Home, unless you subscribe to the view that he replaced his more usual sailor's attire with religious garb?

[The Baron]

And when are you going to get it, that the witness recognised and identified the suspect as the man he saw, and then he learned from the police that he was a jew?

That the man in the middle looks jewish to you is amazing .. haven't you seen a photo of Lechmere anytime?


TB