Is Kosminski the man really viable?

[Sally]

What about Hutchinson? Abberline thought him credible.

He probably wasn't Jewish though, which would seem to rule him out.

[Phil H]

There's a "probably" in there, Sally!!

I was just looking for names really - I think the police MIGHT have had someone of whom we have never heard, kept away from the press. And someone reliable and who got a good look.

Could it be a member of the Kosminski family? That might explain the reluctance to testify and police reluctance to compell - the family would never have forgiven a member who maybe followed Kosminski and saw him commit one of the murders.

It might explain, if true, why it was all so hush hush and against procedure.

Just an idea.

Phil H

[Fleetwood Mac]

Could it be a member of the Kosminski family? That might explain the reluctance to testify and police reluctance to compell - the family would never have forgiven a member who maybe followed Kosminski and saw him commit one of the murders.

It might explain, if true, why it was all so hush hush and against procedure.

Just an idea.

Phil H

Don't think so. "On learning he was also a Jew....."

Seems to me witness and suspect weren't acquainted.

May tell us whether or not suspect was clearly Jewish by virtue of appearance, though.

[Sally]

There's a "probably" in there, Sally!!

I know Well, nothing's impossible, but it seems intrinsically unlikely.

Could it be a member of the Kosminski family? That might explain the reluctance to testify and police reluctance to compell - the family would never have forgiven a member who maybe followed Kosminski and saw him commit one of the murders.

It might explain, if true, why it was all so hush hush and against procedure.

Just an idea.

Or somebody who knew him, even.

[DVV]

He probably wasn't Jewish though, which would seem to rule him out.

Or was it Mr Astrakhan that ruled out everybody ?

[Fisherman]

Rob House:

"It is an assumption, on your part, that Macnaghten "would have been privy to the material as such." In my opinion, it is possible that Macnaghten was not privy to the information Anderson and Swanson had on Kozminski."

True. It IS an assumption. But I find it very hard to believe that Anderson, if he had the knowledge and confirmation that Kosminski was the Ripper, would not pass that knowledge on to a man who may otherwise spend tons of efforts to catch a man that had already been secured. That, if anything, would have the traditions of Anderson´s old department suffering!

Therefore, to my mind, the possibility that MacNaghten was kept in the dark on this matter defies belief.

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Fleetwood Mac:

"All I'm saying is that there was an ID, the suspect was Kosminski, and they believed they had their man."

And all I am saying is that there alledgedly was an ID, the suspect alledgedly was someone named Kosminsky and the two CLAIMED that they believed they had their man.

Isn´t that, after all, where we stand?

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Mike:

"It's interesting that they didn't convince Abberline."

Then again, who DID they convince...? it would seem most of that bunch are writing on these boards.

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Phil H:

"there is no evidence at all against Cross/Lechmere - merely supposition. Someone called Kosminski was named AT THE TIME (big difference)"

There is no evidence against Kosminski either, Phil. He was named at the time, but so were Issenschmidt, Druitt, Le Grand, Pizer ...
Realistically there was no evidence against any of these men, save perhaps - PERHAPS - for one of them.

So you are dealing with two men against whom we have no evidence, as you put it. And one of them can be logically connected to all the murder spots, whereas the other can be placed in the East end together with hundreds of thousands of other men. It´s a total mismatch in this respect, Lechmere outweighing Kosminski by a huge amount.

That was what I meant, Phil. Having once been a suspect is not having had conclusive evidence pointing against you.

Carry on, gentlemen and -women!

Fisherman

[Phil H]

Fisherman, I think you have now entirely left the planet.

Issenschmidt as I recall, was exhonerated as was Pizer. Is not Le Grand (although a convicted criminal) a modern suspect as JtR? You are mixing your suspects in a very disorganised way.

Druitt is on a par with Kosminski and Ostrog - NAMED by a senior official at the time. PERIOD. FULL STOP. that's the difference.

Cross/Lechmere is nowhere, an interesting possibility with not a shred of evidence, not even being suspected at the time.

Such chaotic reasoning as you emply and such undiscriminating intellectual reasoning at least explains your strange posts and unfathomable conclusions, Fisherman.

Phil H

[lynn cates]

exonerated?

Hello Phil. Can you show me where Isenschmid was exonerated? All I've seen is a story about his brother (In Switzerland) who was with him at the time and which said he was about to be released.

Cheers.
LC

[mklhawley]

Fisherman, I think you have now entirely left the planet.

Issenschmidt as I recall, was exhonerated as was Pizer. Is not Le Grand (although a convicted criminal) a modern suspect as JtR? You are mixing your suspects in a very disorganised way.

Druitt is on a par with Kosminski and Ostrog - NAMED by a senior official at the time. PERIOD. FULL STOP. that's the difference.

Cross/Lechmere is nowhere, an interesting possibility with not a shred of evidence, not even being suspected at the time.

Such chaotic reasoning as you emply and such undiscriminating intellectual reasoning at least explains your strange posts and unfathomable conclusions, Fisherman.

Phil H

By the way, the suspect Anderson named at the peak of the murders was Francis Tumblety. It's embarrassing how you ignore his name all the time.

Mike

[Sally]

I hope this thread isn't going to descend into a (yet another) argument about which (or whose) pet theory is the best.

Can't we discuss Kosminski instead?

[Phil H]

I didn't and don't ignore Tumblety - but he didn't seem relevant to this thread. I cited other examples.

Do we now have to mention every contemporary suspect in every post in some sort of weird political correctness to those who back certain suspects?

Tumblety is certainly a contenporary suspect though I don't give him much credence personally - too tall, too extrovert, wrong sexually.

On Issenschmidt I might well be wrong - I didn't check with my notes/books and fired from the hip.

Phil H

[mklhawley]

My apologies Phil and Sally. I was wrong to comment like this.

Sincerely,
Mike