JTR as a disorganized schizophrenic lust murderer

[Henry Flower]

As usual, we remain at square one. Yes, indeed. And thank God for that. What fun would there be here without conjecture?

But maybe you're right; he may have known what his odds were. He may also not have cared too much.

[lynn cates]

list

Hello Henry.

"For that reason I think we should always be cautious concerning eyewitnesses, especially in such an emotive and high-profile case as the Whitechapel Murders."

A sensible approach.

"my point was that there is simply no evidence that the Ripper did anything other than walk at night in areas where he knew prostitution took place"

I take it you omit Dutfield's Yard from this list?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

"my point was that there is simply no evidence that the Ripper did anything other than walk at night in areas where he knew prostitution took place"

I take it you omit Dutfield's Yard from this list?

Cheers.
LC

Prostitution took also place in Berner Street. You have even translated a snippet from a French newspaper that explicitly says so.

[Henry Flower]

And it still does! I've seen girls working the corner of Henriques St and Commercial Rd quite often on my nocturnal rambles.

But Lynn, let me rephrase what I said: "my point was that there is simply no evidence that the Ripper ever did anything more 'organised' than walk at night in areas where he knew prostitution took place".

If Stride was a Ripper victim, and if Berner St was not a regular haunt of prostitutes, his lucky opportunism becomes more apparent than ever.

Don't get me wrong: at the end of the day I'm quite open to the possibility that Stride was not a Ripper victim. However, I incline towards thinking she was: cut throat, interruption, Jewish witness, anti-Semitic slur shouted, victim abandoned quickly, then a shortish distance away another attack with more rage than we've seen before, followed by a dumped piece of apron underneath an anti-Semitic scrawl.

I'm not asserting any of that as *!fact!*, I'd say I'm about 70% convinced of that scenario for the night, but open to correction by those who know more than I. Which is most of you

[Henry Flower]

And on the subject of the girls working that area now - one sees less and less of it over the past decade or so, and I don't know whether that's because of the increasing gentrification of the area since I moved here [not that I mean to imply any causal link!], or because the make-up of the community around the Commercial Rd makes it harder for the girls to find clients in that area now.

[DVV]

I'm not asserting any of that as *!fact

But you could, Henry.
Let's be serious, she has been killed by the man who afterwards killed Eddowes. No doubt at all.

[lynn cates]

anarchists and anarchists

Hello David. But that same snippet, as I recall, brands those Anarchists as dangerous.

Club Autonomie? Sure. IWMEC? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

organisation

Hello Henry. If you are saying that some of the killings, especially the first two, were a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I concur.

I also agree that their killer was not organised--at least, not with respect to planning. He did, however, know how to use a knife cleanly.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hello David. But that same snippet, as I recall, brands those Anarchists as dangerous.
LC

Does it change something regarding Berner Street and prostitution, my dear ?

[DVV]

That a conservative newspaper brand anarchists as "dangerous" is no big news, I must add.

[Henry Flower]

Then we broadly agree, Lynn. But regarding the clean use of a knife, I have a question: in 1888 did the police have the scientific wherewithal to determine from blood samples whether or not the killer had cut himself with his own weapon, as so many first-time killers do?

[GregBaron]

Useless blood...

Then we broadly agree, Lynn. But regarding the clean use of a knife, I have a question: in 1888 did the police have the scientific wherewithal to determine from blood samples whether or not the killer had cut himself with his own weapon, as so many first-time killers do?

No Henry. Blood was something to be quickly washed away. The authorities could gain nothing from it.

It has been suggested that the killer cut himself on Eddowes, hence the apron...


Greg

[lynn cates]

starnge choice

Hello David. Not at all. But I believe you brought it up?

At any rate, as Gareth put it, the IWMEC would be a strange choice of place for prostitution.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

blood types

Hello Henry. I think not. Did not blood typing begin a bit later?

Cheers.
LC

[Henry Flower]

Thanks Greg, and Lynn. I thought so, but needed it confirmed. And that being the case, we'll never know just how clean he was with his knife. Although I expect that he was a fast learner, and may have been familiar with the use of a knife in some professional capacity in any case, who knows.

None of which ultimately helps us decide what 'type' of killer he is, or what 'type' of lunatic Kosminski was, and when.