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    Subject title says it all. Let's discuss his psychological makeup based on what we know. Seems every time I read something on that, it's always referencing him being schizophrenic, which I don't agree with. So let's discuss, debate, add to, correct, etc etc.

    first, the statements of Anderson and Macnaghten:

    Anderson: "...In saying that he was a Polish Jew I am merely stating a definitely ascertained fact. And my words are meant to specify race, not religion. For it would outrage all religious sentiment to talk of the religion of a loathsome creature whose utterly unmentionable vices reduced him to a lower level than that of the brute."

    Macnaghten:"(2) Kosminski- a Polish Jew- & resident of Whitechapel. This man became insane owing to many years indulgence in solitary vices. He had a great hatred of women, specially of the prostitute class, & had strong homicidal tendencies: he was removed to a lunatic asylum about March 1889. There were many circumstances connected with this man which made him a strong 'suspct'. "

    Most authors agree that the "utterly unmentionable vices" and "indulgence in solitary vices" is likely to be frequent or public masterbation. This would indicate a condition called Hypersexuality.

    Hypersexuality in women is known as "nymphomania". In men, it is known as "satyriasis". It is a disorder in which sufferers' desire to engage in sexual activity is abnormally high. It is characterized by an obsession with sex and decreased sexual inhibition. The most interesting part of Hypersexuality, as it relates to this subject, is that it is a primary symptom of Bipolar Disorder. Studies have shown that Hypersexuality is exhibited in 60%-80% of all Bipolar Disorder cases. As far as I have been able to find, Hypersexuality is not a symptom, or at least a primary symptom of Schizophrenia.

    Many people often confuse Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. The reasons for the confusion is understandable: both disorders share many of the same symptoms, causes, and psychotic manifestations (like hallucinations and delusions). But they are not the same thing. And they also are not the controversial phenomenon known as "multiple personality disorder". Schizophrenia is possibly best described as a "split from reality". Bipolar Disorder is a disorder where the personality shows two distinct phases: mania and depression.

    Bipolar Disorder is also known as Manic Depressive Disorder. It is a disorder whose onset is usually in early adulthood. The phases of mania are separated by periods of 'normalcy" (depression). The causes of Bipolar Disorder are believed to be:

    -genetics
    -life events and experiences
    -childhood precursors
    - neurological abnormalities

    The reason I boldened "life events and experiences" is because it is believed that Aaron Kosminski's family probably lived in the forced Pale Settlements in Poland where he would have faced overcrowding and proverty. He more than likely also experienced the anti-semetic and violent pogroms. It has been proposed that he may have even seen his mother, sisters, or other female relatives raped. There is also the issue of the missing father. I have not been able to find anything on when Kosminski's father died, or how he died. But it is doubtless that Kosminski would have faced a very traumatic childhood. For much more detailed info on this, read the excellent books by Martin Fido (The Crimes, Detection and Death of Jack the Ripper) and Paul Begg (Jack The Ripper: The Facts). I am also eagerly awaiting the forthcoming Kosminski related book by some of our members here on the Casebook.

    Approximately 50% of sufferers of Bipolar Disorder state that they experienced traumatic childhoods which have included physical and sexual abuse, and witnessing violence.

    Some symptoms of the Manic phase of Bipolar Disorder include:

    -agitation, irritability, intolerance
    -aggression and belligerence
    -thoughts of being persecuted
    -increased energy levels
    -lack of self control
    -morbid thoughts or ideations
    -racing thoughts
    -delusions of grandeur
    -belief in possessing special powers
    -reduced need for sleep
    -binge eating or drinking
    -impaired judgement
    -sexual promiscuity

    Some symptoms of the Depression phase of Bipolar Disorder include:

    -sadness
    -anxiety
    -guilt
    -anger
    -hopelessness
    -loneliness
    -lack of interest
    -disturbance in sleep and appetite

    Extreme cases of Mania have been known to lead to Psychosis. Manifestations of psychotic episodes in Bipolar Disorder include hallucinations and delusions.

    Some sufferers of Bipolar Disorder experience a mixed affective stage. This is a stage where symptoms of both Mania and Depression are present.

    In some instances, there is also what is known as Hypomania. This is an episode of mild to moderate Mania that does not inhibit functioning. However, the same risks exist. Many sufferers of Bipolar Disorder appear to be quite "normal" and in fact, there have been many cases in which sufferers have been able to adapt to their condition and live and function very well.

    There is a social stigma that goes along with disorders such as Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. Many people believe that sufferers are violent. However, studies have shown that schizophrenics are generally non-violent. When violence is present in Schizophrenia cases, it is usually as a reaction to psychotic manifestations (such as hallucinations and delusions). In Bipolar Disorder, violence can be caused by the psychotic episodes as well as the 'normal' aggression, agitation from the Manic phase.

    Scientific studies have shown that Schizophrenics are generally not as prone to violence as sufferers from other personality disorders (like Bipolar Disorder). Approximately 50% of sufferers of Bipolar Disorder present some history of violence.

    Schizophrenia is also more than twice as rare as Bipolar Disorder. Approximately 1 in 100 people suffer from Schizophrenia. Approximately 1 in 45 people suffer from Bipolar Disorder.

    It has also been shown that abuse of alcohol and drugs increases the likelihood of violence in both Schizophrenia and Bipolar Disorder, just as in the general population.

    Now, to Aaron Kosminski

    I have seen it asserted many times that Kosminski could NOT be Jack The Ripper because Kosminski was nothing more than a "harmless imbecile". If I see the phrase "harmless imbecile" anywhere in this thread, I am likely to explode.

    Imbecile, or "idiot", is a term that historically means a person who presents some level of mental retardation. So when one reads the scant case notes on Kosminski and the symptoms of the depressive stage of Bipolar Disorder, it is very easy to see why someone would assume that he was an "imbecile" or mentally retarded. However, I don't believe that he was "retarded" outside of the condition that he was suffering from. In the notes of one of his admissions, it lists his education level as "R & W" ("reading and writing"). He also stood trial for walking an unmuzzled dog and the reports of this do not seem to indicate that he was mentally retarded. His stating that he didn't tell the officer his true name as being because "Kosminski" is hard to spell is perfectly plausible. It has also been stated (but unproven as far as I know) that he worked in a hospital in Poland and was a hairdresser (though he had not attempted work for years at the time of his admissions in 1891). These things we can gather from the few details we know about Kosminski do not indicate to me that he was mentally retarded or an imbecile.

    From the few case notes that we have on Kosminski, it does seem to appear that he was experiencing the different phases of Bipolar Disorder.

    In February and April of 1891, Kosminski "refused to be bathed" and "still the same 'instinctive' objection to weekly bath." But by January 1892, "Habits cleanly". He was also "cleanly in habits" in January and September of 1893.

    In April 1891, he was "..apathetic, inoccupied..". But by January 1892, "At times excited and violent." Then, by November 1892, he is "Quiet and well behaved". But a few months later in January 1893, he was experiencing "Chronic mania. Intelligence impaired; at time noisy, excited, and incoherent"

    To me, it is clear that these are examples of a person who is suffering different stages of an illness, and not a person who is an imbecile or idiot.

    Now to the "harmless" part of "harmless imbecile" that so many want to present Aaron Kosmnski as. I don't believe Kosminski was as "harmless" as so many would have him. Remember, there are very few details of his stays in the asylums. At best, we have two or three short annual notes on him. But there are many years missing.

    -But we know that it is alleged that he attacked his sister with a knife.
    -Feb 1891, "rather difficult to deal with on account of the Dominant Character of his delusions"
    -Jan 1892, "At times excited & violent- a few days ago he took up a chair and attempted to strike the charge attendant"
    -Jan 1893, "..at times noisy, excited and incoherent;"
    -July 1916, "Incoherent and excitable. Troublesome at times."

    Are there any case notes that say he cut someone's throat and disembowelled them? Of course not. That does not mean that he presented no propensity for violence. And again, it must be remembered that there are missing periods of his incarceration and that the notes are quick, short, and without much detail.

    Based on what I have stated, I completely reject that Aaron Kosminski was a "harmless imbecile". I also have serious doubts that he was Schizophrenic. I believe that he was suffering from Bipolar Disorder, possibly made worse by alcohol abuse. I feel that what little is known about him indicates that he was clearly going through "phases" like the manic and depressive stages of Bipolar Disorder.

    Millions of people suffer from Bipolar Disorder. Not very many of them are serial killers. About half of them are not violent in any way. Many of them lead very normal and functional lives. But there is one other thing I want to look at. It cannot be proven whether or not it is relevant to Aaron Kosminski, but it most likely did relate to whoever Jack the Ripper was, and that is a condition associated with depressive disorders known as Antisocial Personality Disorder:

    Antisocial Personality Disorder is commonly associated with depressive disorders like Bipolar Disorder. It is characterized by:
    -lack of remorse and empathy for others
    -disregard for social norms
    -aggresive, violent behavior
    -promiscuity
    -inability to tolerate boredom
    -cruelty to animals
    -constant lying

    The causes of Antisocial Personality Disorder are believed to be genetics or environmental factors. When the cause is genetic, ADP is commonly referred to as Psychopathy. When the cause is environmental factors, ADP is referred to as Sociopathy.

    Antisocial Personality Disorder is about twice as common as Bipolar Disorder and about four times more common than Schizophrenia. Antisocial Personality Disorder is estimated to be present in up to 30% of all psychiatric patients (and about 2%-4% in the general population).

    Just like with Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia, a Psychopath or Sociopath are not incredibly prone to violence. There are many people walking around on the streets and living normal lives who will never know that they are a Psychopath. It doesn't make one a serial killer. But if you combine Bipolar Disorder with Sociopathy, it would absolutely increase the likelihood of violence. If you combined (Bipolar and ADP) both with alcohol abuse, the combination could be expolosive and lethal.

    Now, I am not here to prove that Aaron Kosminski was Jack the Ripper. I do strongly believe that he was Bipolar and this could probably have been worsened by alcohol abuse. Whether or not he was a Sociopath (or Psychopath) is completely unproveable. If Kosminski were Bipolar and Sociopathic (and alcoholic for that matter), there were likely to be dozens or even hundreds of men with the same conditions on the streets of London at the time. And I think it is just as likely that some unknown person who suffered from similar conditions could've been Jack the Ripper.

    There are a lot of people that want to dismiss Kosminski with the "harmless imbecile" bit. Maybe they truly believe this (I don't). Maybe they want to dismiss him because he conflicts with their own 'pet suspect'. There are a lot of people who seem to dislike or disbelieve Sir Robert Anderson. But I believe that if Anderson threw a dart at a dartboard or randomly selected a name from a hat, he definitely hit on a very likely suspect:

    -a man who lived in the heart of the crimes
    -a man who suffered, in all likelihood, from Bipolar Disorder
    -a man who, if the Bipolar diagnosis is correct, had a 30% chance of being a Sociopath
    -a man who lived in an area and at a time where alcohol abuse was almost an epidemic. Where alcohol abuse combined with serious psychological conditions could likely have awful results
    -a man may have been the sole occupier of the premises he resided at, or at the very least, not held down by strong family relations that would prevent him from going or coming as he pleased
    -a man not held down by a job
    -a man who at least twice, allegedly, presented that he was prone to violence

    Again, I'm not here to prove Kosminski was Jack the Ripper. I'm only here to point out the facts (or at least the facts as I see them). Of all the "known" suspects, I believe that Aaron Kosminski was the most likely.

    I hope this will get some discussion going. I read, researched, and wrote like hell (and I have an undergraduate degree in psychology, if that amounts to a hill of beans). If you have any corrections, additions, or thoughts, let's get it going. If "harmless imbecile" is the ONLY thing that you have to add, I'd prefer it go in someone else's thread.

    And again, to whoever is releasing the Kosminski book, I'm looking forward to it.

    If you made it this far, thanks for reading and your consideration and time.

  • #2
    Hello Pontius,

    As a person who has openly questioned the Kosminski suspicion, from start to finish, I really must say that this little synopsis of yours is of great quality.
    Thank you for taking the time to put this together and presenting this to us. I am sure Rob House will enjoy reading this and perhaps will contact you about it.

    However, I still disagree with your overall conclusion about Kosminski, based very much on what has been said before, but mostly, I am afraid to say, that when all is said and done, there is no real eveidence against Kosminski at all. I have also said this often too, that even if Kosminski was a killer of sorts, he can only very tentatively, if that, be placed at the scene of one murder. That doesn't make him "the most likely suspect" for being Jack the Ripper. It gives him a very tentative chance of being the murderer of one of the canonical five victims. Without the evidence to prove he was anywhere near the murder scene however, we can only use the word "tentatively" and at best "speculatively" when referring to this suspect.

    That said, as I stated at the start of this reply, your presentation is most interesting, and again, I thank you for the obvious effort you have made. It is quality stuff indeed.

    best wishes

    Phil
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Phil Carter View Post
      [/I] murder. That doesn't make him "the most likely suspect" for being Jack the Ripper.
      Thanks for reading and your thoughts on it.

      Who, in your opinion, is a known suspect that you feel is more likely than Kosminski?

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      • #4
        Hello Pontius,

        Afraid to say that I am a known "non" individual suspect person (rightly or wrongly). However, although the reasoning is hard to conclude, and I simply do not have any more evidence to attach to it atm.. but if you apply your diagnosis methods to the reproduction of his life in asylums, then could Jacob Isenschmid be the possible killer of Chapman, if not her predecessor as well? He was suspected by Abberline, Mrs Fiddymont and two doctors. He has the threatening violence towards women, the "insanity", and was missing from his place of abode on the night of the Chapman murder. Lynn Cates puts forward a very fair case. The only trouble is, that if true, it would blow Ripperology apart, if not back, 122 years. That, for many, would be very, very hard to swallow. I am open minded enough to see the possibility, where others shy away from it. More weight than that I do not put on it. I believe Lynn Cates' research deserves much greater consideration.

        I must re-itterate however, I really only believe that "Jack the Ripper" was a name defining a/various murderers. The name itself is an invention, which caught fire. Also, the "fact" that one person killed 5 women (at least) is far from proven. We know this because of one simple group of testimonies. All the witnesses seemingly describe different people. Logic tells me that one man can disguise himself in appearance, but not in all the ways, including height, that have been attributed to him. Allowing as well for the fact that witnesses can be decieved, and even wrong, "one" killer is not proven by any means.

        So I am afraid to say that a single known suspect, "more likely than Kosminski", is in my view, not an appropriate question to ask me personally. I hold no weight, or little weight with Kosminski, Druitt, Ostrog, Tumblety, Sickert, Gull, PAV, JK Stephen, Chapman, Stephenson, any indeed any single Polish Jew. I did have hopes for the Tumblety theory when first published, and thought that perhaps we had, at last, a possible explanation. However, I am sorry to say this has also declined into the above grouping, through sheer weight of evidence, as I see it, against his candidacy.

        If we are ever to find a really strong "suspect", then I believe our hopes may ultimately lie with the Special Branch material currently being witheld from public viewing. It is high time they were given over to the public for scrutiny, research and deliberation, imho.

        Sorry to rattle on, but in order to answer your question fully, deservedly and respectfully, I felt it was needed to qualify my views. Thank you for asking.

        best wishes

        Phil
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        • #5
          Hi Pontius,

          As a psychologist, I can say that what you put together is accurate and well done.

          A bipolar diagnosis instead of schizophrenia is plausible. The problem is that there are positive (hallucinations, delusions) and negative symptoms (apathy, catatonia) of schizophrenia that also would account for this depressive-manic like behavior. It really is impossible to diagnose him now. But your account is at least plausible and sheds new light on Kosminski as a possible suspect.

          I don't see any evidence to diagnose him as hypersexual. Wasn't attributing mental illness to "solitary vices" a common explanation then?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Barnaby View Post
            Hi Pontius,

            As a psychologist, I can say that what you put together is accurate and well done.

            A bipolar diagnosis instead of schizophrenia is plausible. The problem is that there are positive (hallucinations, delusions) and negative symptoms (apathy, catatonia) of schizophrenia that also would account for this depressive-manic like behavior. It really is impossible to diagnose him now. But your account is at least plausible and sheds new light on Kosminski as a possible suspect.

            I don't see any evidence to diagnose him as hypersexual. Wasn't attributing mental illness to "solitary vices" a common explanation then?
            Hi,

            Thanks for your comments. I'm not sure if "solitary vices" was used in another context. Every author I've read seems to agree that both terms by Anderson and Macnaghten refer to frequent masterbation. Also, when he was first admitted to the workhouse and Colney Hatch, the cause of his insanity was written as "self abuse", which would be another term for frequent masterbation. So I am personally moved to believe that he was exhibiting hypersexuality. If the only term used were "solitary vices", I would be more likely to believe that perhaps it was meant that he wer a "solitary loner" or something (though it's known that he had a somewhat large extended family). I believe it's a reference to hypersexuality, but that not's an absolute fact.

            If not for my believing it was Bipolar Disorder, I would guess that Kosminski was definitely Schizophrenic. This would still not make him a "harmless imbecile". But the reason I chose Bipolar Disorder, and this is definitely something that you will be better qualified to affirm or state as false, is that from what I've been able to find Bipolar sufferers seem better able to 'hide' their illness and adapt to and function with it moreso that Schizophrenics are able to do. Is this true or false? Again, I can't say if that's true or false, just the gist of what I've been able to read up on. But it seemed to me that he was definitely going through different phases and at times appeared to be masking his illness. That, and the likely Hypersexuality, is why I settled on Bipolar rather than Schizophrenia.

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            • #7
              Hi Phil,

              I've read so many suspect books over the years and so many of them are so very convincing that it's hard not to give a lot of consideration to a lot of different suspects. But Kosminski (and to a much lesser extent, Druitt) is the suspect that I always come back to. One reason for it is that he was a prime suspect and I personally don't believe that the police were bumbling idiots. I put some faith in weight in their words because they were actually there and saw all the evidence and circumstances.

              Another problem I have with a lot of the other suspects it they seem to be based around revenge. I can't see the Ripper murders as "revenge killings" or "ritual killings" or "organ collection killings". If they were simply revenge killings, he probably would've strangled them only, definitely not the degree of violence that was shown. if they were rituals, probably would've been much more organized. if organ collection only, they probably would not have been as vicious that the organs would've been taken more cleanly.

              So what I always come back to is someone with a severe psychological condition that is compelled to do these vicious crimes by their illness and not just because they want to. And the person that most fits that profile, for me, is Kosminski. At least as far as "known suspects" go.

              I have no problem believing that the C5 were all killed by the same man due to the natural escalation that is thrown throughout. What becomes more confusing to me is 'other' victims. Namely Tabram, Elizabeth Jackson, Alice McKenzie, and possibly Frances Coles. I personally think both Tabram and Jackson were likely Ripper victims. If Jackson were a Ripper victim, it would say A LOT about him as far as MO and levels of 'display' vs 'dispose'. If Frances Coles were a Ripper victim, then that would probably exclude Kosminski if I'm not mistaken, due to his initial incarceration.

              But there are so many things surrounding Kosminski that he, to me, is the most fascinating of all known suspects. But again, let me state that I believe it is just as, or more, likely that the killer was an 'unknown local man' who exhibited some of the same psychological problems.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Phil Carter View Post
                If we are ever to find a really strong "suspect", then I believe our hopes may ultimately lie with the Special Branch material currently being witheld from public viewing. It is high time they were given over to the public for scrutiny, research and deliberation, imho.
                I agree with this. And we have so little to go on that we are really reduced to kind of "educated speculation". I find more to speculate on with Kosminski than with others.

                I agree about the Special Branch Ledgers too, and I have been watching and waiting on that thread very closely. Which is why I think it is an extra shame that Trevor Marriott has been banned over what looks to me like nothing more than personality differences and disagreements.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pontius2000 View Post
                  I agree about the Special Branch Ledgers too, and I have been watching and waiting on that thread very closely. Which is why I think it is an extra shame that Trevor Marriott has been banned over what looks to me like nothing more than personality differences and disagreements.
                  Hello Pontius,

                  I could not agree more, and whether this is the right place to do it or not, I would respectfully urge Mr. Stephen Ryder to reconsider the matter. It does not matter if it is a week or a month. A week has gone by. It has achieved little, if not more divide.

                  best wishes

                  Phil
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                  • #10
                    Hello All,

                    Thanks for this thread Pontius, well done.

                    I would like to announce that I am in the process of analysing the Colney Hatch records as to assertain the state of mind of Jacob Isenschmid. Like Phil said he is more likely a suspect that is Monty Druitt, if I shall take a stretch. However, Aaron Kosminski is a suspect, and worth consideration.

                    I would say that, instead of diagnosing Aaron Kosminsky with bi-polar disorder, a Schizoaffective mood disorder diagnosis would be more appropriate. It is in essence a dual diagnosis of Manic Depression and Schizophrenia.

                    Thanks

                    p.s. Pontius, do well to check the DSM-IV-TR for diagnostic criteria for these mutiiple disorders you present, for legal diagnostic critera.
                    Last edited by corey123; 11-20-2010, 07:26 PM.
                    Washington Irving:

                    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                    Stratford-on-Avon

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                    • #11
                      Hi All,
                      Lets not forget that in the Autumn of 1889 a year after Mary Kelly"s murder, Aaron Kosminski was walking the dog around Cheapside .We know this because the dog he was walking didnt have the recently,legally required muzzle on so Aaron was taken to court.
                      Once Aaron Kosminski had been incarcerated,he was diagnosed as "not being a danger to others"---there was never any reference to him being suspected of being Jack the Ripper either. He spent his time in an ordinary ward for similarly mentally ill people and he displayed no particular signs of aggression either on admission nor in the thirty years he spent in these institutions for the mentally ill.Nor had he ever had any conviction,prior to admission for violent behaviour .His symptoms had included paranoia and visual and auditory hallucinations.
                      And you think he could have been Jack the Ripper? Get real.
                      Last edited by Natalie Severn; 11-20-2010, 08:43 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Hello Nats,

                        Indeed his candidacy is very slight, however the suspicion is there. Those with Schizotype disorders are very very unpredictable and without proper constrain, we have no idea what horror could be undone by one.

                        However, I agree with your statement. Nevertheless, the psychological study of this suspect is indeed very interesting and worth pursuing?

                        Agree?
                        Washington Irving:

                        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                        Stratford-on-Avon

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                        • #13
                          Hi corey123,
                          Yes,I agree.But given his family"s clear concern, I very much doubt,he would have got away with five or more murders in 3 months, less than a year before he took to dog walking!Especially as the murders had created such an international press frenzy!
                          Best
                          Norma

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                          • #14
                            Just a couple quick points.

                            First I do think Kozminski's records indicate schizophrenia as a more likely diagnosis than bipolar disorder. However, there is still a good deal of debate within the field of psychology over terms like schizo-affective disorder. For example, some argue that bi-polar disorder and schizophrenia may be less differentiated than commonly believed, in the sense that they fall within a spectrum of disorders that are differentiated by severity, but may share the same symptoms, etc. Hence, bi-polar, paranoid schizophrenia, and severe schizophrenia may fall on a spectrum, and may share some symptoms. These symptoms may also be measured separately and rated in terms of severity. Paranoid schizophrenia might be seen as less severe than disorganized schizophrenia... some argue that paranoid schizophrenia may not be one disorder, but several separate problems, a cluster of symptoms. Hence paranoid thinking (by itself) might be measured on a different scale from other symptoms. I realize what I am writing here is not very clear, but I believe that the differentiation between these disorders is not so clear as the DSM-IV seems to suggest.

                            Second point - Aaron Kozminski was not an imbecile. The term imbecile was a legal/medical term for a very specific type of "insane" person... specifically one born with an intellectual disability or mental retardation. Despite what other have written, there is absolutely NO evidence that Kozminski was an imbecile. Instead he was classified as a "person of unsound mind" which in summary was fairly similar to "lunatic". The he was later classified as a "lunatic." The only reason it has been assumed Kozminski was an imbecile was that he was admitted to the Imbecile Asylum at Leavesden... but in fact Leavesden admitted a variety of cases, and their primary criteria for admission was that a patient be incurable (chronic) and not disruptive to the asylum population. The term "Imbecile Asylum" in other words was a sort of misnomer... the asylum in fact was more of an overflow container for housing chronic incurables. Unfortunately, the so-called "fact" that Kozminski was an imbecile has been repeated so many times (in books, here on the message boards) that it is taking some time to sink in. In short, it is a meme, but incorrect.

                            It may be interpreted that Kozminski was a paranoid-type schizophrenic, and as such he may have been a bit more organized than the "disorganized" type schizophrenic... hence, able to hide his disorder, able to engage people in conversation etc.

                            In my opinion, it is probable that the Ripper type was what is known as a disorganized-type lust murderer (as defined by the FBI). The lust murderer is differentiated from the sadistic killer for example, by being primarily interested in mutilating the body after death, especially focusing on the sexual organs. So for example, Dahmer was a lust murderer. Based on the assumption that the Ripper was this type of killer, the FBI (in their profile for the Ustinov tv show) concluded that the Ripper was probably schizophrenic.

                            As far as solitary vices... the record indicates that Kozminski masturbated, we can assume that he may have done so "chronically" or frequently. Whether or not this indicates hypersexuality, I do not know. However, masturbation was often assumed to be the cause of many medical and psychological disorders at this time.

                            RH

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                            • #15
                              Hello Rob,

                              Yeah, schizo-affective mood disorder is a biggie. However, it is very easy to get the negative symptoms(alogia, avolition, flattening effect) confused with symptoms of the dual spectrums of bipolar disorder.

                              The DSM-IV critera for schizophrenia and schizoaffective mood disorder are almost identicle.

                              That is why some speculate they may be very very related. I fear the out come will be that schizophrenia in itself is rare, but schizo-affective would occupy the most psychological territory.
                              Last edited by corey123; 11-20-2010, 09:18 PM.
                              Washington Irving:

                              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                              Stratford-on-Avon

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