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Kozminski's Brother (recovered thread)
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The only US census I have access to - 1880 - gives his age as 34, which isn't much help.
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
David LUBEN Self M Male W 34 POL Merchant POL POL
Louise LUBEN Wife M Female W 22 CA Keeping House LA LA
Seman J. LUBEN Son S Male W 6 CA POL CA
Ruth LUBEN Dau S Female W 1 CA POL CA
Waoni LUBEN Dau S Female W 1M CA POL CA
Mira JACOBS Other S Female W 15 PANAMA Servant --- WEST INDIES
Lyn MARTIN Other S Female W 24 IRE Servant IRE IRE
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(3) A note concerning Aaron's funeral, apparently among the records of Leavesden Asylum, is signed by a member of his family whose address is given as "The Dolphin", Whitechapel E, London. The signature has been read as "H. W. Abrahams" and the relationship to Aaron as "brothers".[4]
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It also seems that the signature on the document concerning Aaron's funeral, previously read as "H. W. Abrahams", must really be Isaac's, and the relationship given must simply be "brother"
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[4] Scott Nelson, "Kosminski's Relatives", Ripperologist no 39 (February 2002)
Paul Begg, The Facts, pp. 376, 509 (2004).
[LMA H26/LEA/B/02/031]
It is understandable that the "signature" as been misread as "H. W. Abrahams", but I think it's clear enough that it really says "I & W. Abrahams" - that is, Aaron's brothers, Isaac and Woolf. As the reverse shows, the document was originally posted to Aaron's brother-in-law, Morris Cohen, but evidently Aaron's brothers arranged the burial.Last edited by Chris; 09-05-2009, 04:48 PM.
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Fascinating, Chris. Thanks for posting them. Looks like Aaron lost a comparatively scary 5lbs in little over a week during April/May 1918 - he must have been ill and/or refusing food.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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kozminski's brother
this is great research, and could open new locked doors. i myself have studied the case and was in the procces of writing a book after 10 years study of the case, it took me two years to write only to find problems in my theory and decided start again. i have studied many serial killers, there backgrounds and reasons including frontal lope damage, early mutilation of animals in life, abuse, mother fixation, even normal backgrounds to produce a serial killer. the whitechapel killer, as i call him as i do not believe he wrote any of the letters, it is most certain, and evidence points to a rag newspaper reporter, the ripper case started the cheap papers of scandle which still goes on today. hence mass confusion of what we take as evidence. my feeling was the whitechapel killer was someone who was known in the erea, but fitted in as someone ordinary like so many moderm serial killers, a joe bloggs that people knew. this is classic modern serial murder types of today and the whitechapel killer fits in to this type of killing. the murders have a differents to other such crimes in 1888, the police were not stupid to see the difference in his method. prostitutes new of police rounds down to the second of there beat, they cased the patterns of the bobbys' beat, i come from London and before the patrol car drug dealers, prostitutes and other such new where to go to have a quite spot to carry such things, i new strippers in kings cross 20 years ago and could get away with murder? as i have said i am from London and i remember my grandad telling me stories of jack the ripper thats what got me interested in the first place all those years ago. i like the new information on Kozminki's brother that you have brought to light, as a person like this is more probable than what we have so far as main suspects, famous, well to do ,sons of queen victoria, a famous painter[ my suspect at first] the establishment. there is no way cockney folk would hold back information of such crimes if they knew who the killer was, and believe me they would have known every gossip and what was going around there own comminity more so then as today, it cannot be someone who stands out in the crowd, he was in the crowd, on there door step! anyway i would like your comments but well done on finding this new info, thats very important to the ongoing mystery.
cheers,
Andy. J
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Hi Chris,
It is funny how after spending so much time thinking about this H.W. Abrahams, the solution is so simple and perhaps obvious.
I suppose one thing to point out is that the entire form was filled out by one person... do you think this was either Isaac or Woolf? Or do you think it was filled out by someone else?
I am bit unclear on what this form is actually. The post mark appears to read "Herts" so I am guessing that the form was sent from Leavesden to Morris Cohen, then filled out (by Isaac? Woolf?) and returned to Leavesden?
RH
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Originally posted by robhouse View PostI suppose one thing to point out is that the entire form was filled out by one person... do you think this was either Isaac or Woolf? Or do you think it was filled out by someone else?
I am bit unclear on what this form is actually. The post mark appears to read "Herts" so I am guessing that the form was sent from Leavesden to Morris Cohen, then filled out (by Isaac? Woolf?) and returned to Leavesden?
I think this document is essentially the family giving the undertaker authority to collect the body from Leavesden. The postmark is King's Langley, Herts, so as you say it was sent from Leavesden to Morris Cohen, but filled in by (or on behalf of) Isaac and Woolf. It must then have been given to the undertaker, who handed it in at Leavesden when he collected the body.
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Originally posted by andy.j View Postthis is great research, and could open new locked doors.
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i like the new information on Kozminki's brother that you have brought to light, as a person like this is more probable than what we have so far as main suspects, famous, well to do ,sons of queen victoria, a famous painter[ my suspect at first] the establishment. there is no way cockney folk would hold back information of such crimes if they knew who the killer was, and believe me they would have known every gossip and what was going around there own comminity more so then as today, it cannot be someone who stands out in the crowd, he was in the crowd, on there door step! anyway i would like your comments but well done on finding this new info, thats very important to the ongoing mystery.
For what it's worth, I do think it's likely the killer was an "ordinary east ender", but probably one whom Ripperologists have never heard of.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostFascinating, Chris. Thanks for posting them. Looks like Aaron lost a comparatively scary 5lbs in little over a week during April/May 1918 - he must have been ill and/or refusing food.
The first weight is quoted by Sugden, and the first and last by Begg, but I think it's useful to look at the whole sequence. (NB I've just noticed that the top part of the document containing the first date hasn't been copied - the date was May 17th 1915.)
Really this is the only evidence that is known about Aaron's stature and build. Sugden (p. 412) comments:
"His weight, recorded in May 1915, was only seven stone eight pounds and ten ounces, which suggests that he was small and slight of stature (he was said to have been in good bodily health as late as 1916)."
To add a bit more information about his general health, a note in April 1914 says "bodily condition Fair" [LMA H26/LEA/B/02/031], and in the case register his B[odily] H[ealth] is recorded as follows:
September 1910 - poor
September 1911 - weak
[April 1912 - tested for enteric fever (negative)]
September 1912 - weak
January 1913 - weak
July 1914 - fair
February 1915 - fair
February 1916 - good
[H26/LEA/B/4/32; extracts were printed by Begg, p. 374, but for some reason the comments on bodily health were omitted.]
So we can say that at least for the period of the first four measurements, when his weight was around 7 stone, 6-8 pounds, he was in fair to good bodily health. The brief medical notes don't record any concerns about nutrition until March 1919. On the other hand the fact that the weights were recorded at all may indicate that there was some concern.
Sugden concludes that the data are consistent with the accounts of witnesses who described a man of average or below average height. But I think if one looks at Lawende's description, which gives the suspect's height as 5 foot, 7-8 inches (initially reported as 5 foot, 9 inches) then Aaron's weight of 7 and a half stone is quite a bit less than would be expected, unless he was already quite significantly underweight. Schwartz's version of the height - 5 foot, 5 inches - would be somewhat more feasible, but in that case there is also the description of the man as "broad-shouldered", which would raise a similar difficulty.Last edited by Chris; 09-07-2009, 03:17 PM.
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