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    SEVERINO KLOSOWSKI, Killing > murder, 9th March 1903.


  • #2
    This makes it very clear just how much poor Maud really suffered. RIP dear.

    Poisoning is not usually a preferred method of murder for men. Surely he knew he would be caught. What was in his mind?

    I was touched by how much Maud's family seemed to care for her.

    This testimony from Maud's sister caught my eye also:

    I left the prisoner in the room with her and when I came back she was very bad and quite helpless—before I went into her room I saw the prisoner in the bar—he asked me if I was cold—I said. "What do you mean? How is my sister?"—he said, "I don't know; I will go and see"—I went up to her room, and found her very bad

    I find him asking her if she was cold to have a sexual meaning. Sometimes when we women get cold, it can get a bit....nipply. Maybe I'm just reading too much into that, but if it were intended as a sexual remark, that is so alarmingly inappropriate. Poor Maud.

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    • #3
      I wonder of if the comment was meant by Chapman as a way of insulting his sister-in-law. Criminals have ways of lashing out at people with language. George Joseph Smith, when asked by Alice Burnham's father about his antecedents, wrote a classic comment which has been published ("My mother was a buss horse, my father was a Cab driver, my sister a Roughrider over the Arctic regions, my brothers were all gallant sailors on a steam-roller."). Chapman may have known his sister-in-law was a prude and purposely used that cheap crack to get a rise out of her. Given what we know of him, if he was nasty to people it would not have been surprising.

      Jeff

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      • #4
        thank you Chris

        Originally posted by Chris Scott View Post
        SEVERINO KLOSOWSKI, Killing > murder, 9th March 1903.

        http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...-318#highlight
        only got to glipse vreifly but seems like their is some useful info there. Thank you for posting it.
        We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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        • #5
          club

          Originally posted by Chris Scott View Post
          SEVERINO KLOSOWSKI, Killing > murder, 9th March 1903.

          http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...-318#highlight
          do we know the location of this club for poles?
          We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by protohistorian View Post
            do we know the location of this club for poles?
            It was in the district of Clerkenwell - precisely where, we don't know.
            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
              It was in the district of Clerkenwell - precisely where, we don't know.
              thank you Sam. Would you have to proceed through Spitalfields from east India Dock to Clerkenwell?
              We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by protohistorian View Post
                thank you Sam. Would you have to proceed through Spitalfields from east India Dock to Clerkenwell?
                Not necessarily, Dave - you could stay well south of Spitalfields, walking along Commercial Road/Cable Street and heading into the City that way. Besides, Klosowski had already moved from West India Dock by the time Stanislaus Baderski met him at the club. I also seem to recall that Baderski said Klosowski was not a club member, so whether he went there every night is unknown.

                Edit: a glance at the trial transcript shows that Klosowski attended the club regularly only on a Sunday, according to his brother-in-law. Also, that the club was located in St John's Square, Clerkenwell.
                Last edited by Sam Flynn; 02-01-2009, 02:35 PM.
                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                  Not necessarily, Dave - you could stay well south of Spitalfields, walking along Commercial Road/Cable Street and heading into the City that way. Besides, Klosowski had already moved from West India Dock by the time Stanislaus Baderski met him at the club. I also seem to recall that Baderski said Klosowski was not a club member, so whether he went there every night is unknown.

                  Edit: a glance at the trial transcript shows that Klosowski attended the club regularly only on a Sunday, according to his brother-in-law. Also, that the club was located in St John's Square, Clerkenwell.
                  Where did George move to?
                  We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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                  • #10
                    Why I was thinking that

                    Originally posted by protohistorian View Post
                    Where did George move to?
                    My thoght is he would have had a motive for moving on a regular scedule. i believe he had one with or without membership, as a polish speaker he would have saught this enviroment for it's familiarity so to speak.
                    We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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                    • #11
                      frquency

                      Originally posted by protohistorian View Post
                      Where did George move to?
                      I suppose we will never lnow that. We wouldn't happen to know anything regarding events or functions at this club?
                      We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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