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Originally posted by HelenaWojtczak View PostI've just popped in to register my dismay at seeing the names and spellings that were established after a great deal of painstaking research on my part being misspelled on this thread.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostSo chapman was living in cable street during the ripper murders or not?
If so, how far from murder sites is it?Last edited by Sam Flynn; 10-24-2018, 11:29 PM.
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Originally posted by MrBarnett View PostYou make no effort to check out the sources you use.
'Tom Wescott said that Fiona Rule said...' That kind of thing.
'I can't be arsed to buy the book, but I thought someone who had read it said...' That kind of thing.
A proper Ripperolgist, in the sense I detect Helena used it earlier.
Good luck!
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You make no effort to check out the sources you use.
'Tom Wescott said that Fiona Rule said...' That kind of thing.
'I can't be arsed to buy the book, but I thought someone who had read it said...' That kind of thing.
A proper Ripperolgist, in the sense I detect Helena used it earlier.
Good luck!
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Originally posted by Batman View PostThis could very well be the case. At this stage, because the work is something one has to buy a physical second-hand copy of, I can only go with what people have said here. I thought someone had a copy and it indicated it was work he was talking about.
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Originally posted by Wolf Vanderlinden View PostActually, according to Adam's book Levisohn states at Klosowski's trial "I have known the accused since 1888, when I met him in a hairdresser's shop in Whitechapel" (page 62). At the Police Court proceedings it states "He first met the accused in a shop under the White Hart public-house, 89 High Street, Whitechapel, in 1888" (page 201). It doesn't say "working," clearly or otherwise.
Levisohn also states "Until 1889 the accused was an assistant to a hairdresser at this shop. Then he became proprietor." As I pointed out, this never happened.
Wolf.
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Originally posted by HelenaWojtczak View PostHello everyone.
I'm not going to comment on the meat of the arguments here because I have said everything in my book.
I've just popped in to register my dismay at seeing the names and spellings that were established after a great deal of painstaking research on my part being misspelled on this thread.
"Stanislaus" is not a Polish name and it's not a female name, either.
Lucy Baderska's siblings were Stanisław Baderski and Stanisława Rauch (nee Baderska). I also see reference to a Mrs Baderska. The only Mrs Baderska was Stanisław Baderski's wife, Władysława. Is that the person who is being cited?
There is nobody in this story called "George Sterman". The barber who worked with Kłosowski was George Schumann.
There is nobody in this story called "Haddin". The barber in Tottenham that Kłosowski worked for was John Haddon.
All this information is available in the biographical index at the end of my book.
Thank you all very much for resurrecting my pet suspect and I look forward to a flurry of book orders in due course ;-)
The book is currently in its 4th imprint, having been updated with 20 extra pages (mainly of Kłosowski's family history) in 2017, and now totals 292 pages.
All the best to you all and keep up the excellent "ripperologing"!
Helena
“Pet suspect”? I thought your conclusion was that he isnt a viable ripper suspect?
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So chapman was living in cable street during the ripper murders or not?
If so, how far from murder sites is it?
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Levisohn"s statement that he remembered meeting Klosowski in 1888," when he was "working" in a shop under the White Hart Public House, 89 High Street,Whitechapel " in Adam"s book entitled ,"The Trial of George Chapman" is not contradicted anywhere in that book by anyone.This should put to rest claims that Levisohn was talking about Chapman living in White Hart Public House. He clearly says working. Got evidence he said something else? Reference it.
Levisohn also states "Until 1889 the accused was an assistant to a hairdresser at this shop. Then he became proprietor." As I pointed out, this never happened.
Wolf.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostI'm aware it was pointed out in 2008, because I was here having the bloody discussion. I'm also aware that the person pointing it out was a bit of a Kłosowski fan at the time, a bit like you seem to be turning into. Like you're a fan of Smith and Tabram being included in the canon, a fan of the idea that the Ripper must have had insider info, etc.
I won't waste any time on your idées fixe and frankly irritating posts again.
You keep misrepresenting his claim to mean residence.
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Originally posted by Batman View PostLevisohn said "working".
This was pointed out in 2008 to you and I repeated it above. Look...
I won't waste any time on your idées fixe and frankly irritating posts again.Last edited by Sam Flynn; 10-24-2018, 12:23 PM.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostLevisohn is clearly wrong on his dates, because we know that Kłosowski spent several (five?) months in 1888 in West India Dock Road, working in Abraham Radin's shop and nursing Ethel's child there. He then moved to Cable Street, thence to Commercial Street via Greenfield Street, before moving into the basement of the White Hart sometime in 1890.
This was pointed out in 2008 to you and I repeated it above. Look...
Levisohn"s statement that he remembered meeting Klosowski in 1888," when he was "working" in a shop under the White Hart Public House, 89 High Street,Whitechapel " in Adam"s book entitled ,"The Trial of George Chapman" is not contradicted anywhere in that book by anyone.
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Originally posted by Batman View PostIn this part of her book Wojtczak dismisses Levisohn, but obviously her reasons for doing so are incorrect in that she presents a false dichotomy that Levisohn is contradicting other witnesses here.
The ONLY one that doesn't agree with this eminently logical, and independently attested, timeline is Wolf Levisohn, who'd only have seen Kłosowski periodically in his capacity as a salesman of hairdressing supplies. I'll take the word of relatives and close colleagues over those of an occasionally visiting salesman anyday.
and this was established even as far back as 2008 on Casebook, here.
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