Did Hutchinson get the night wrong?

[Fisherman]

Ruby:

" if you mean to win the 'last word' not by serious argument but by playing the conspiracy theory/bore them to death card, then effectively you've nearly lost me already..."

I would not want to do THAT, would I? And indeed, I am not playing any conspiracy card at all, Ruby. I am looking at the caserelated specifics only. And I do not think for a moment that astrakhan man was any pillar of society, nor one of the highest in the country. But Toppy may have gotten such a thing into his head, after having been dispatched by the police.

The best,
Fisherman

[Rubyretro]

Randolph Churchill !!

Well, if you mean to win the 'last word' not by serious argument but by playing the conspiracy theory/bore them to death card, then effectively you've nearly lost me already...

Surely it would be a hollow victory though..?

[Fisherman]

By the bye, Lynn, there IS a man involved in it all that may be a nice fit for astrakhan man, but it´s not Millen. I´ll leave you to ponder on who I mean. A smart looking fellow...!

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Ruby:

"it's not even worth arguing as a joke"

A good thing, then, that I am NOT arguing it as a joke!

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Lynn Cates:

"Now, compare the description of astrakhan with Frank Millen. Interesting, no?"

Not really. Millen was twenty years too old to have been astrakhan man, was he not? And please remember that I am not ascribing to any conspiracy theory myself; far from it - I am only suggesting a scenario in which Toppy may have had sentiments along that line after having been discarded by the police!

The best,
Fisherman

[Rubyretro]

Could it not be that something like this lay behind a growing suspicion on Toppys behalf (for Toppy it was!), that the astrakhan man enjoyed protection from the police, and that this protection pointed straight up to the top of the pillars of society? And was this why he confided to Reg that the man he saw was a very high ranking man societally?

Ok -you're tired of this..just capitulate Fishy..you're not convinced and it's not even worth arguing as a joke.

[lynn cates]

at last

Hello Fish. Well, finally your thoughts begin to coincide with us wing nut people's thoughts. (heh-heh)

Now, compare the description of astrakhan with Frank Millen. Interesting, no?

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

Lechmere:

"I think Hutchinson was probably Toppy – and if he was he probably romanced up his story to his son (he would have been an elderly father) some 40 or 50 years after the events unfolded. "

I am convinced that he was Toppy, Lechmere. But that aside, I think you may be on to something important with the embellished story. And this is why:
I work from the presumption that Hutchinson was a day off. But as can be seen from Dew´s comments, Hutch himself obviously did not concur with the police on the matter. If he had, Dew would not have suggested a muddled up date - he would have treated it as an established fact.

So where does this scenario lead us, with a police force that tells Hutchinson that they are most grateful for his offer to help, but equally sure that he had muddled the dates, and a Hutchinson that claims that he had done no such thing?
It leads us to a man that spends the rest of his days brooding on how he had been undeservedly sidestepped, that´s where. And to my mind, if this holds true, I think it would be very human to somewhat "guild" the drama when telling it to your son many decades afterwards.
Moreover, IF we have a scenario such as this, and IF Hutch was dead sure that he had the dates right, but STILL he was snubbed by the police - would it not be a viable suggestion that Hutchinson somehow came to believe that his observation of astrakhan man was something the police had decided to cover up? (This is exciting, since I have never before been in the conspiracy business. Of course, I am only so in presenting a conspiracy scenario on behalf of Hutchinson, but still...!)
Could it not be that something like this lay behind a growing suspicion on Toppys behalf (for Toppy it was!), that the astrakhan man enjoyed protection from the police, and that this protection pointed straight up to the top of the pillars of society? And was this why he confided to Reg that the man he saw was a very high ranking man societally?

I think this makes for an interesting suggestion. I´m sure everybody will agree

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Ruby:

"here's a quick 'peck' anyway..."

And to you!

The best,
Fisherman

[Sally]

Sally - I brought this up earlier..but don't you think that it's strange that it's the blokes here that have the 'my little pony' theory to the supposed relationship between Hutch and the pretty, young 'working girl' ?

The women on these threads seem far more pragmatic, I think..

Women have to be pragmatic, Ruby. That's the way of the world...

[Rubyretro]

Sally - I brought this up earlier..but don't you think that it's strange that it's the blokes here that have the 'my little pony' theory to the supposed relationship between Hutch and the pretty, young 'working girl' ?

The women on these threads seem far more pragmatic, I think..

[Rubyretro]

[

I]‘Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day.’[/I]

[/QUOTE]

Thank's for quoting that verse; it's very beautifiul..I really enjoyed reading it again..

Still, it doesn't give a convincing scenario as to what Hutchinson was actually waiting for, for such a long time, outside Mary's room on the night of her murder..?

[Sally]

I think Hutchinson was probably Toppy – and if he was he probably romanced up his story to his son (he would have been an elderly father) some 40 or 50 years after the events unfolded. If he did anything slightly unsavoury (e.g. being a bit of a peeping tom – trying to look into Kelly’s room, or having a pitiful crush on her, or making up a load of embellishments to get an allowance from the police) then he is hardly likely to admit this to his son.

‘Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day.’

Ah! The Folly of Youth! What a romantic tale for Valentine's Day, Lechmere.

[Lechmere]

I think Hutchinson was probably Toppy – and if he was he probably romanced up his story to his son (he would have been an elderly father) some 40 or 50 years after the events unfolded. If he did anything slightly unsavoury (e.g. being a bit of a peeping tom – trying to look into Kelly’s room, or having a pitiful crush on her, or making up a load of embellishments to get an allowance from the police) then he is hardly likely to admit this to his son.

‘Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day.’

[Rubyretro]

It's Valentine's Day , Fish -so here's a big kiss to you..

**** ! I forgot ! You're not in my clique ?! your swedish slobbers are reserved only for swedish 'experts' ...

here's a quick 'peck' anyway...