The Leander Analysis

[Ben]

If I were you, I would be away from here and escape my imaginary "stalkers"

I could always use a different aftershave, I guess...

I do not want to add to an already unpleasant and unproductive exchange.

Could have fooled me, Pimps.

Bye.

[scarletpimpernel]

Ben

For a person who claims to be "stalked" by others...If I were you, I would be away from here and escape my imaginary "stalkers"

And you are wrong. I have just skimmed through all the miles and miles of insults and found myself bewildered when could we talk about something of substance but as that is not likely to be the case any time soon. I do not want to add to an already unpleasant and unproductive exchange. Good Bye.

[Ben]

Endless unrelated quarrels, yards upon yards of punch and Judy and hardly anything about the main subject which is Hutchinson is it not ?

And what's your solution to this unsatisfactory state of affairs?

How does Pimps propose to change this situation for the better?

How to stop those pesky, "unrelated quarrels".

Hmmm...

By starting yet another unrelated quarrel. Of course! You're just the antidote we needed.

I don't care how busy a person you claim to be. If you took the trouble to read this thread, and related ones, from the beginning, you'll observe that my initial responses were perfectly respectful, and I would cheerfully have continued in that vein had I not been goaded continually. I expressed my gratitude to the individual concerned with bringing the analysis to the fore, and I'd gladly reiterate it again.

All too easy to be a lazy laughing hyena giving unwarranted insults to those who have interesting things to say.

Even easier to be a simpering, uppity, pompous waste-of-skin who labours under the delusion that the best way to alleviate the ill-feeling is to start another "unrelated" quarrel of the type that you were accusing me of engaging in.

If you don't like what I say, use the "ignore" facility. It's what it's there for.

Since I neither embrace nor feel saddened by your view of me, you're just wasting your time.

[scarletpimpernel]

Ben

This is the way I see it. I come here to learn about an interesting suspect and what do I get ? Endless unrelated quarrels, yards upon yards of punch and Judy and hardly anything about the main subject which is Hutchinson is it not ?

I'm a very busy person and I find it completely inconsiderate and selfish from you, to continually be harping to someone who at least has taken the trouble to bring something for analysis which can or not stand on its own merits. It is difficult to build and research a suspect. All too easy to be a lazy laughing hyena giving unwarranted insults to those who have interesting things to say. You know the saying is hard to build, easy to destroy.

[Ben]

Seems you're being awfully selective in your chiding there, Pimps.

If I'm not antagonised, I'm generally very peaceful and would prefer to avoid confrontation. In fact, if you take a look my post #521, you'll notice that it was offered with the intention of salvaging whatever semblance of good feeling remained, at least with Fish. It's posts like yours that are of more questionable value. What are you hoping to acheive? I mean, let's assume I am the sort of person who really loves animosity and looks for any excuse for a scrap. Am I really likely to take your advice to find myself "another play-room"? Or will I just thank my lucky stars that someone else wants to take me on?

[scarletpimpernel]

Ben

I'm new here and I wanted to learn about this suspect and all I'm confronted with is your kindergarten taunts to anyone who is actually trying to find something about this suspect. Your antics are disruptive and have nothing to do with this suspect, its only to do with your personal quarrels that you may have with others. If you cannot stick to the subject, I suggest you should go out and find yourself another play-room. I would like to learn more without having to read 200 posts of fights.

[Fisherman]

Ben writes:

I have not seen this post until now, Ben. This is my answer:

"Apologies for the delay in getting back to you."

There are other apologies that are much more due. But thanks for this one.

"I’m more than willing to embrace your sensible advice to “discuss the issues only”, but I wonder if you’d extend me a reciprocal courtesy."

Then I advice you to take a look at my communications with other Casebook members. The lack of courtesy you may have experienced on my behalf would have been something quite different had the exchange on your own behalf been of another quality. That is not to say that I wish to establish the respective amounts of guilt involved, just to point out that I was bitterly disappointed by what went down.

"I just don’t have the time I once did for “battle” mode."

I never had that time. I reluctantly took the time, though, from other obligations because I was (and am!) convinced it had to be seen through.

"Thanks for the recap on the cutaway front. Yes, I well recall the sketch, and yes, I still believe the artist was depicting men in tailcoats"

It was not a sketch - it was a photo. You must have mistaken it for something else. No matter what - letīs drop it.

"Reasonable adult human beings have proved capable of resigning themselves to differing viewpoints throughout the ages, and unless we’re willing to follow that example here, I can make no promises of compliance to your request. Otherwise, I look forward to antagonism-free exchanges in future."

It is my belief that you failed to live up to the expectations one may have on reasonable adults during the discussion we had, Ben. It is a wiew that has not changed the slightest over time.
Nor am I proud of my own part in the affair, suffice to say.

My wiew still stands that antagonism-free exchanges are to be preferred over what passed on the Leander threads, and in that respect I will surely do my best to keep it that way.

That is all I have to say.

The best,
Fisherman

[Ben]

Hi Fisherman,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

“This is why I recommend you to back off from the line of business you are conducting, and start respecting my right to post without being called a mad stalker.”

Let’s try something completely different. I’m more than willing to embrace your sensible advice to “discuss the issues only”, but I wonder if you’d extend me a reciprocal courtesy. Next time we express disagreement with one another, let’s not use it as an excuse for another marathon fight-to-the-death stamina war. Even I’m starting to find those boring, and with social and professional obligations being what they are at present, I just don’t have the time I once did for “battle” mode. I am not trying to “pull a fast one”. I am expressing my honest opinion, and there are only so many times that we can go on repeating our previous objections and counter-objections. If I really wanted to “get away” with dishonest and nefarious tactics, then blitz-posting on the part of the opposition only serves to ensure that I do so. Scarletpimpernel is right to applaud you on your proactive efforts, but you musn't think that my disagreement is somehow an attempt to invalidate those efforts.

Thanks for the recap on the cutaway front. Yes, I well recall the sketch, and yes, I still believe the artist was depicting men in tailcoats – a category which encompasses the conventional cutaway. If we’re circumspect about this, though, we are dealing with a drawing, and any speculation as to what might be concealed behind what is immediately visible is about as productive as guessing what colour underwear the Mona Lisa had on. If you feel differently, fine, but for pity’s sake let’s leave it at that rather than going round in endless circles on an unrelated thread. Reasonable adult human beings have proved capable of resigning themselves to differing viewpoints throughout the ages, and unless we’re willing to follow that example here, I can make no promises of compliance to your request. Otherwise, I look forward to antagonism-free exchanges in future.

We knew that, but we can't expect Benny Boy to know the difference between a come-on and a cling-on, given that his two-woman fan club turned out to be one mentally ill person of unclear gender posting as two babes in order to cling on to his every word for a bit longer.

And I know you get all flustered and upset whenever you see me talking to other girls, but all kock-blockery aside, that particular individual no longer posts here, so bringing that subject up on more than one serial killer message board at every opportunity only makes you look desperate and obsessed (whoever would have guessed?), but of course, you bring ME up at every opportunity whenever you can, so it's little wonder that you're fanning the flames here. It’s also the height of hypocrisy to accuse anyone else of “clinging to (my) every word”.

when I call my daughter 'Carlypoo', or Suzi 'Suzipoo', I am not coming on to either of them. Ben would be better off washing his mouth out and learning not to pepper his posts with his wholly inappropriate and sick-making sexual hang-ups

Oh, bee'ave, will you?

I called him Fishypoo first.

If you don’t like what I say, you have the option of ignoring and avoiding me. But don’t, for pity’s sake, keep peppering every post you direct my way with your usual brand of inflammatory goading and then start bursting into tears when you get the reaction you were anticipating.

[scarletpimpernel]

Scar

"Donīt think it can get any worse now", said the pessimist.
"Oh yes, it can! said the optimist.


The best,
Fisherman

That is so funny, funny. I sincerely hope that things do not get any worse for you then.

[scarletpimpernel]

Mr. Fisherman,

I'm not asking you to give up on your endevours and you are right in that you are indeed an optimist, since you are one of those persons who.. confronted with a glass of water half way... you will say that the glass is half full, whereas the pessimist will tell you that the glass is half empty. Even though the glass remains exactly where it was... in the middle. Your attitude is a good attitude to have. I prefer to talk to optimists than with negative personalities.

I must say, that I'm also rather impressed by the similarity of the census hand-writing confronted with the ripper letter. You will find that the excesive downward stab motion of the letters, like - G, J - which are done in such violence and well marked without leaving too many gaps in between letters it is always considered by graphologists as that of a violent person, without any generosity. There are many telling points in the way a person writes, the timid ones will always make faint impressions on the paper, whilst a bold person will make its imprint harder, violent personalities hurt the paper to the point of practically making a hole on it. This type of observation by an experienced graphologist is much more clear when he/she sees the original paper than just a mere photocopy. Although, he/she can always also tell in a photo-copy if the letter doesn't register too well in certain traces, that is also telling too, but you will find that the graphologist will find it harder to commit with a photocopy than if he was inspecting the real item.

[Fisherman]

Scarletpimpernel writes:

"I have been reading and I feel a bit like dipping my toes in a piragna lake"

Guess what submerging your whole body in it feels like?

"All my congratulations go to you and Sam who are at least picking up the evidence and submitting it to experts"

You are ever so welcome, Scarlet!

"Jack the Ripper is an elusive character and all the leads.. tantalising as they are, always lead to probabilities which are worth investigating, although we will for certain never know who really JTR was"

Iīm a naive character in that respect, Scarlet - I hold some hope, although I realize that most people will agree with your pessimism. And on that score:

"Donīt think it can get any worse now", said the pessimist.
"Oh yes, it can! said the optimist.

So why give up...?

The best,
Fisherman

[scarletpimpernel]

Hi Mr. Fisherman

I have been reading and I feel a bit like dipping my toes in a piragna lake, not knowing whether I will be able to withdraw my toes back safely from these murky waters. All my congratulations go to you and Sam who are at least picking up the evidence and submitting it to experts, there is a lot of work in doing so and only for that, you deserve my respect. As always, Jack the Ripper is an elusive character and all the leads.. tantalising as they are, always lead to probabilities which are worth investigating, although we will for certain never know who really JTR was, with this in mind, we must try our best, which you are doing and even if we were one day to reach a definite, certain answer to the mystery and not just strong contenders to the infamous murders, I may add, even if anyone came with the true JTR it would be too late now to convict him as he is dead now. Thanks for trying and Sam also but we must bear that in mind too.

[Fisherman]

Caz:

"I've caught up with the 'Many' thread now, and I don't know whether to call Ben Mr Malaprop or Major Misunderstanding in future."

That, Caz, has to be the single weirdest thread around the boards! I still canīt believe that I needed to create it - and much less what it was turned into...

The best,
Fisherman

[caz]

Even scarier then, Fishpaste. They say three's a crowd, so Ben was literally surrounded by his fan.

I've caught up with the 'Many' thread now, and I don't know whether to call Ben Mr Malaprop or Major Misunderstanding in future. I'm surprised he can follow someone else's script when he treads the boards, because he can only ever follow his own script on these boards. Mind you, I love comedy so it's all good.

Love,

Caz
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[Fisherman]

Caz:

"his two-woman fan club turned out to be one mentally ill person of unclear gender posting as two babes in order to cling on to his every word for a bit longer."

It was a three-woman fan club, to be exact, Caz - with the same address, nevertheless....

The best, ehrm...Cazzipoo...?
Fisherman