Only one man would know

[Sam Flynn]

It isn't inconceivable that they slipped him a few coins in compensation for loss of work-seeking opportunitues

Quite so, Ben - and I wouldn't find it at all extraordinary if they did.

but certainly not to the tune of 105 shillings!

I'd agree with you there - however, as with much else related to Hutch, we must be wary of throwing out the baby of potential truth with the bathwater of exaggeration.

[The Good Michael]

A few coins becomes 5 pounds in the retelling. A lurking man becomes a toff after 3 days of telling one's mates. Many things are possible with a kernel of truth. I hear exaggeration on grander scales every day. Well, not with regards to murder, I'll grant you.

Cheers,

Mike

[Simon Wood]

Hi Sam,

Good to know that the spirit of Humphrey Lyttleton lives on.

Regards,

Simon

[DVV]

Many things are possible with a kernel of truth. I hear exaggeration on grander scales every day.
Cheers,
Mike

Yes Mike,
though at last, systematic exaggeration can also suggest fabrication.

Amitiés,
David

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Sam,

Good to know that the spirit of Humphrey Lyttleton lives on.

Indeed, Simon. "As the horseshoe pin of fate meets the black tie of destiny, and the spreeish unfortunate heads towards the post-mortem vomit of eternity..."

[Ben]

A few coins becomes 5 pounds in the retelling.

Potentially, Mike. Trouble is, it can also become 5 pounds in the inventing, with no original coins being involved at all.

All the best,
Ben

[Sam Flynn]

Potentially, Mike. Trouble is, it can also become 5 pounds in the inventing, with no original coins being involved at all.

Again, what's the likelihood that Hutchinson would have been forced to give up potential job-seeking time for nothing? It's one thing to pour cold water on a dodgy story, Ben, but quite another to try to Kärcher it out of existence.

[Crystal]

5 pounds? That's a hell of a lot of money. If Hutch..er.. I mean Toppy, really was paid that sum you'd want to know why. Unless it was hush money, of course.

[DVV]

Again, what's the likelihood that Hutchinson would have been forced to give up potential job-seeking time for nothing? It's one thing to pour cold water on a dodgy story, Ben, but quite another to try to Kärcher it out of existence.

In my opinion that's obvious, Sam.
Hutch had to have something to eat, and 4 pence to doss.
He must have been paid, somehow - but a few pence, for each day he spent with the police.
But the amount of money we are told of, like all Reg's story, is incredible, and does nothing in favour of Toppy-the-witness.
Unless these 5 pounds came from Sir Randolph himself.

Amitiés,
David

[Malcolm X]

In my opinion that's obvious, Sam.
Hutch had to have something to eat, and 4 pence to doss.
He must have been paid, somehow - but a few pence, for each day he spent with the police.
But the amount of money we are told of, like all Reg's story, is incredible, and does nothing in favour of Toppy-the-witness.
Unless these 5 pounds came from Sir Randolph himself.

Amitiés,
David

maybe Churchill was Hutch and he paid Abberline the 5 pounds to keep quiet, now this i can believe

[DVV]

maybe Churchill was Hutch and he paid Abberline the 5 pounds to keep quiet, now this i can believe

Impossible, Malcolm.
Churchill was already broke.
Having blown the lot at the Queen's Head.

[Malcolm X]

Impossible, Malcolm.
Churchill was already broke.
Having blown the lot at the Queen's Head.

yea' it's a laught isn't it

[Stephen Thomas]

Indeed, Simon. "As the horseshoe pin of fate meets the black tie of destiny, and the spreeish unfortunate heads towards the post-mortem vomit of eternity..."

Hi Sam

I think our friend Simon may have been referring to Saint Humph's 1956 Parlophone record 'Bad Penny Blues'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-pQziWiKk&feature=related

[richardnunweek]

Hello All,
Another Hornets nest stirred, and once again Bob H is the first in line to utter remarks like 'Rubbish' Etc..
Let me make myself clear on several points.
I am not suggesting that even if Topping was the witness, he was telling all the truth.
I am not, and never have suggested that Lord Randolph Churchill, was Mr Astracan, as far as i can recollect the man seen only resembled somewhat of that appearance.
I disagree with the suggestion that at no time through this investigation would any monies be paid to informants, or people who aided the police, money has always been , and is still paid out at police descretion.
I am not suggesting that any of you should accept the Radio programme at face value, either if doubt its exsistance, or its content relayed by me in the past.
I also accept that hearsay/oral history cannot be acceptable as fact.
What i find hard to accept is how Reg Hutchinson , occupation costermonger, with no knowledge of the case, can have invented a story that happens to have a man called Hutchinson in the lead role, which happens to be his surname, and have this man witness, the last victim with a strange man , in the early hours of the 9th Nov 88, and this sighting was given to the police, and a statement was taken.
Remember that Reg was not familiar with this case, and was not certainly familiar with the 'Directory' report mentioning payment, of approx five weeks wages, which would be approx five weeks labouring wages,
None of us were even familiar with that report , until a year or so ago.
I appreciate the amount was a huge amount for a couple of patrols, and of course it is entirely possible that this figure was exsaggerated, but the amount does ring true with Regs recollections.
I may be stubborn in my beliefs , but every one on Casebook tends to follow suit on that trait.
Regards Richard.

[Malcolm X]

Remember that Reg was not familiar with this case, and was not certainly familiar with the 'Directory' report mentioning payment, of approx five weeks wages, which would be approx five weeks labouring wages,
None of us were even familiar with that report , until a year or so ago.
I appreciate the amount was a huge amount for a couple of patrols, and of course it is entirely possible that this figure was exsaggerated, but the amount does ring true with Regs recollections.
I may be stubborn in my beliefs , but every one on Casebook tends to follow suit on that trait.
Regards Richard.

hi Richard

where is this report, we need to know that this is legitmate and we have no proof that Reg's father was actually the correct Hutchinson that saw the Ripper.. or that this radio broadcast with Reg was even true, because only you can recollect it, until then you cannot expect people to believe this theory

Reg was not familiar with this case, how do you know? he could've hoaxed the whole lot, thus pretending that his father was the JTR eyewitness