Any updates, or opinions on this witness.

[Abby Normal]

Regardless of the state of forensic science at the time, there were tangible connections between one of the perpetrators and the victim, Bobby Franks, his second cousin. Loeb lived across the street from Franks, who had often played tennis at Loeb's place. (source: Wikipedia) That his accomplice and co-conspirator Leopold fed the police with misinformation, whilst Loeb kept his head down, is hardly surprising in the circumstances.

he still inserted himself. he didn't have to. and even though the circs are different- criminals, killers do it.

and if hutch is the killer yes it is somewhat surprising he inserted himself-however, if he thought hed been spotted and not knowing if Lewis might have known him or not-its not as surprising.


Dennis Rader, AKA BTK, was pretty much scott free until he again inserted himself by sending the police a computer disc, which eventually led to his capture.

They do it for a variety of reasons, under different circs, and by different methods-yet despite the risk-still do.


to try to use hutch coming forward as some kind of reason to clear him is just plain silly and misguided.

[rjpalmer]

the curly moustached pantomime villain with the red stone seal and the sinister black parcel.

Now the parcel is black?

Why do the Hutchinson theorists feel the need to misrepresent the evidence?


What's unintentially funny about this 'sinister' parcel (it could be a present for his child for all we know, I fail to see what is sinister about a parcel with a strap) is that one of the chief figures in the Hutchinson dogma, Sarah Lewis, really does describe having met a sinister man with a black leather bag in Bethnal Green who invited her up a dark alley (making him a pantomime villain in Ben's world view) yet she remains their star witness. Seems like a contradiction. What's good for the goose, clearly isn't good for the gander.

I’ve got a pretty good idea which side would stand up in court.

Don't kid yourself, Ben. Court? After three full-length books on the Hutchinson theory, there isn't even enough evidence to warrant a pre-trial hearing, let alone a court case. It's the same three weak arguments for the past 20 years. And if on a fluke it ever did make it to court, the character witness for the defense would be the lead investigator.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Here's a clue.

This signature is the genuine article.



Regards,

Simon

[rjpalmer]

Hi Caz,

You say you don’t “get” why Hutchinson would have waited outside the court for 45 minutes if he was the killer

Is that what she said?

I was under the impression that Caz asked why Hutchinson would have ADMITTED to having been at the scene of the crime for 45 minutes had he been Ted Bundy.


I think I've had enough of this claptrap for one week.

[caz]

Only just caught this, rj, and have yet to read Ben's response(s) in full.

But yes, I don't get why Hutch the ripper would a) not only need to hang around his latest crime scene for that length of time before entering the room [ assuming Kelly was already in there and alone, of course], but b) allow himself to be seen by any passing witness and c) as a consequence, feel obliged to tell the cops all about it, in case one of those witnesses had seen his face clearly enough to know him again.

I mean, how stupid would this 1880s equivalent of Ted Bundy need to be, not to simply keep his face and hair out of sight under his hat while loitering there for this seeming eternity, before finally deciding it was safe to enter? How the devil could anyone have posed a risk to him if he'd taken this basic precaution?

That's what I don't get.

Love,

Caz
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[Darryl Kenyon]

I really don't get why most people are certain Sarah Lewis saw Hutchinson.
"One policeman went by the Commercial-street end of Dorset-street while I was standing there, but no one came down Dorset-street. I saw one man go into a lodging-house in Dorset-street, and no one else"
That statement in itself is enough to cast doubt on it being Hutchinson. If he had seen Sarah go up the court he would surely have said so.

[Sam Flynn]

I really don't get why most people are certain Sarah Lewis saw Hutchinson.
"One policeman went by the Commercial-street end of Dorset-street while I was standing there, but no one came down Dorset-street. I saw one man go into a lodging-house in Dorset-street, and no one else"
That statement in itself is enough to cast doubt on it being Hutchinson. If he had seen Sarah go up the court he would surely have said so.

You're 100% correct, Darryl, but I bet it won't be long before we see some creative arguments from those who want the contrary to be true

[Abby Normal]

Hi Darryl and Sam
wow you guys have me confused now.

Didn't hutch say he stood there waiting to see if they came out again(aman and mary) at the same time lewis said she saw a man standing in the same place (wide awake hat man-who was certainly hutch) as if waiting and watching for someone to come out?

[Wickerman]

I keep asking you guy's to get your heads together to come up with a workable consensus
Need more time?

[Wickerman]

Whose house? Mary's?? If he means her apartment AND he didn't see where they went, how does he know which house is hers? Are they such good friends that he knows where she lives without being guided?

Going into the court to see if he could see them may mean to look through the window. No alternate viewing position was available. That is how I interpret his words.
So, it doesn't only mean he looked around the court for them.

[Wickerman]

...... he went to her place and found out she was with a guest. Her window was broken, so he may have heard them. Or he may have knocked and told to bugger off. So he waits awhile for her guest to leave, after about 45 minutes or so leaves,....

So, do I take it now that you believe the claim in the press where Hutchinson said "I went up the court"?

......comes back about an hour later, finds the man gone. Enters marys room and kills her, coinciding with the heard cries of murder around 4:00 am.
Total speculation i know but fits for me.

And that scenario could apply to Blotchy, Hutchinson, or anyone else she was seen in company with Thursday/Friday.

[Wickerman]

It never ceases to amaze me that for some people, a working class local resorting to subterfuge is the “Hollywood” explanation,....

I think it's the song & dance we have to go through just to make this working-class local appear as a viable suspect.

.......whilst the curly moustached pantomime villain with the red stone seal and the sinister black parcel is the plausible one. It’s difficult to envisage a more “Hollywood” suspect that the Astrakhan man, but for some commentators, he’s the real deal.

How was Dr. Neil Cream dressed, and what was his social class?

[Abby Normal]

So, do I take it now that you believe the claim in the press where Hutchinson said "I went up the court"?



And that scenario could apply to Blotchy, Hutchinson, or anyone else she was seen in company with Thursday/Friday.

Hi Wick
Ive always believed that he did and that he then stood and waited for her for the 45 minutes or so.


Im just not sure he actually saw Mary that night.


im pretty sure he never saw Aman.

And that scenario could apply to Blotchy, Hutchinson, or anyone else she was seen in company with Thursday/Friday.

exactly-which is why I don't rule out Blotchy, Barnett or even Bowyer for that matter.

[keithsmurray]

Sometimes I hum "Violets from My Mother's Grave" just to drown out the snarkery. Or I try to remember the color of those eyelashes.

At other times I wonder if Hutchinson really did head to Australia, and why.

[Abby Normal]

Sometimes I hum "Violets from My Mother's Grave" just to drown out the snarkery. Or I try to remember the color of those eyelashes.

At other times I wonder if Hutchinson really did head to Australia, and why.

Hi Keith
LOL!

re Aussie Hutch-I believe you are referring to author Stephen Sinese research/book and the mug shot?

I think if hutch has been Identified this is it.