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Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostI just recall it being posited a few years ago. It may have been in pre-online Ripperologist. It's just that times were tough and, as we know, people were turned away from lodging houses for not having the price of a bed so it seems strange that McCarthy would allow Kelly to get weeks behind in her rent when he could have chucked her and her property out in 10 minutes and probably had someone else occupying the room just as quickly.
I'm not particularly suggesting anything. Just seems a bit strange.
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Yes, "Military Appearance" seems to be from an agency story. It appeared in the Times, Daily News, Evening News and Pall Mall Gazette, all on the 13th. Whereas, most others stayed with "of the labouring class".
Otherwise, the wording of their articles are pretty much identical.
Perhaps only meaning he was clean cut, neatly turned out, upright posture?Last edited by Wickerman; 05-28-2017, 04:37 AM.Regards, Jon S.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostThe only thing we DO know is that hutch engaged in stalking behavior.
All I believe we know for certain about Hutch is that he waited until three days after the murder before coming forward with his remarkable story.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostI recall the 'military bearing' description but I thought that I'd confused it with the description of 'The Pensioner,' connected to Annie Chapman.
HS
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Originally posted by andy1867 View Post39 pages...I'm quite proud of meself
Albeit I haven't added much....
I did once bat through an innings for 15 in a Sheffield midweek cricket game..
Feels a bit like that.....
Steve
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostStrictly speaking, we know that he claimed to tail Kelly back to Miller's Court and claimed to have kept her room under surveillance for a rather long time.
All I believe we know for certain about Hutch is that he waited until three days after the murder before coming forward with his remarkable story.
Either that or, because the press were all over the place with Kelly's time of death, Hutchinson, like many others believed she was murdered after 9:00 am in the morning.
That was a popular belief over the weekend. So, obviously his sighting at 2:00 am would have had no bearing on her murder.Regards, Jon S.
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Originally posted by Wickerman View PostHis focused attention, from the first sightings, following him and waiting so long in Dorset Street, indicate to me his obsession was with this character, not Mary.
If his intentions had been criminal (to mug the man), this may have caused him to delay coming forward - he couldn't justify his actions without giving away his intentions?Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View PostYou're right, the Pensioner wad indeed also described as of military appearance, by Tim Donovan the lodging house deputy. Interestingly, he admitted that he'd not been in the military at all, so appearances can be deceptive.
There's no point being made here. It just shows how phrases have connotations.
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HSRegards
Sir Herlock Sholmes.
“A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostThey certainly can. I don't know if it's just me but when someone is described as having 'military appearance,' or a 'military bearing,' it's usually connected to someone older?Last edited by Sam Flynn; 05-28-2017, 05:53 AM.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostI just recall it being posited a few years ago. It may have been in pre-online Ripperologist. It's just that times were tough and, as we know, people were turned away from lodging houses for not having the price of a bed so it seems strange that McCarthy would allow Kelly to get weeks behind in her rent when he could have chucked her and her property out in 10 minutes and probably had someone else occupying the room just as quickly.
I'm not particularly suggesting anything. Just seems a bit strange.
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HS
Being behind in the rent was likely the nature of the beast for so many Whitechapel residents. McCarthy probably felt that Mary had a history of eventually paying so why go to all the trouble of evicting her only to get another tenant who would probably fall behind in the rent but whom he couldn't be sure would come up with it at some point? It is also possible that he was willing to give a little leeway for an attractive young woman or that they managed to work out a quid pro quo at times.
c.d.
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Originally posted by c.d. View PostHello H.S.,
Being behind in the rent was likely the nature of the beast for so many Whitechapel residents. McCarthy probably felt that Mary had a history of eventually paying so why go to all the trouble of evicting her only to get another tenant who would probably fall behind in the rent but whom he couldn't be sure would come up with it at some point? It is also possible that he was willing to give a little leeway for an attractive young woman or that they managed to work out a quid pro quo at times.
c.d.
It just seems a lot. How could any Whitechapel prostitute come up with 26s to clear the arrears. I agree though that maybe an 'arrangement,' could be the answer.
HSRegards
Sir Herlock Sholmes.
“A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostThe phrase "military appearance" (as used wrt Hutchinson) doesn't connote age to me. It merely suggests a fit, well-built man of any age, possibly with a trim moustache and a neat haircut.
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HSRegards
Sir Herlock Sholmes.
“A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”
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Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View PostDoes anyone think that Hutchinson's age might have influenced his description of Astrakhan Man? No doubt someone living in that environment would have had to grow up quickly but still. Our life experiences do often influence our judgments. It's only a 'maybe' but I wonder if seeing someone 'slightly better off' could have been exaggerated by a 22 year old to give the impression of someone 'much better off?' It's not a particularly important point but I just wondered if his age/inexperience led to a view of a man dressed in finery when AM was actually something like a shopkeeper in his Sunday best?
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HSI won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.
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