The profession of Jack the Ripper.

[Elamarna]

My first guess is that he was lonely.

OR he is just doing his job as he is increasing police numbers in response to the murder to chase leads for house to house inquiries or provide a police presence.

OR if I'm being cynical then it's after the horse has bolted, it's too little too late and it's to protect his reputation after he criticised Warren for not being able to catch JTR.

OR maybe both

Whitechapel

All of those seem possible, indeed probably. no need to ask really ask why is there?

Steve

[Pierre]

Whitechapel

All of those seem possible, indeed probably. no need to ask really ask why is there?

Steve

Hi Steve,

What right do you have to decide if there is a need for me to ask a question?

Pierre

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

What right do you have to decide if there is a need for me to ask a question?

Pierre

The very same right as the question itself, its called FREE SPEECH.

[Monty]

Hi Craig,

Monro deployed 3 sergeants and 39 constables on duty in Whitechapel, increasing the force with 22 extra men on the day of the murder of Alice MacKenzie. I wonder why.

http://www.casebook.org/victims/mckenzie.html

Regards, Pierre

For clear and obvious reasons.

Monty

[jerryd]

Pierre,

I'm not sure the reason for your question, but to me the more important point in the McKenzie case is the fact that the police force was being whittled down as the excitement of the murders from the previous year declined. At the height of the Ripper murders in 1888 the force was strengthened by 100 men from other divisions. Two weeks before the McKenzie murder in July of 1889, that number was reduced to 40 men. On Monday night, the day before Alice McKenzie was killed, there was an order from headquarters to withdraw those forty men. This led to a belief that the murderer showed a knowledge of police customs and rules.

[Pierre]

For clear and obvious reasons.

Monty

Very good, Monty.

Monro did think that the murder on MacKenzie was done by Jack the Ripper. Anderson did not. And one doctor did, while the other one didnīt.

So what were those clear and obvious reasons, according to you?

Kind regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Pierre,

I'm not sure the reason for your question, but to me the more important point in the McKenzie case is the fact that the police force was being whittled down as the excitement of the murders from the previous year declined. At the height of the Ripper murders in 1888 the force was strengthened by 100 men from other divisions. Two weeks before the McKenzie murder in July of 1889, that number was reduced to 40 men. On Monday night, the day before Alice McKenzie was killed, there was an order from headquarters to withdraw those forty men. This led to a belief that the murderer showed a knowledge of police customs and rules.

Jerrd

would an order given the day before have been enacted upon before the murder took place, a genuine question, Perhaps Monty or someone else would like to comment on that as well

Steve

[Pierre]

Pierre,

I'm not sure the reason for your question, but to me the more important point in the McKenzie case is the fact that the police force was being whittled down as the excitement of the murders from the previous year declined. At the height of the Ripper murders in 1888 the force was strengthened by 100 men from other divisions. Two weeks before the McKenzie murder in July of 1889, that number was reduced to 40 men. On Monday night, the day before Alice McKenzie was killed, there was an order from headquarters to withdraw those forty men. This led to a belief that the murderer showed a knowledge of police customs and rules.

Hi Jerry,

interesting. You write "This led to a belief that the murderer showed a knowledge of police customs and rules."

Where did you find this information - do you perhaps know if there is any source confirming it?

Kind regards, Pierre

[jerryd]

Hi Jerry,

interesting. You write "This led to a belief that the murderer showed a knowledge of police customs and rules."

Where did you find this information - do you perhaps know if there is any source confirming it?

Kind regards, Pierre

I do have a source, but I am waiting for my final piece of data before I reveal it.

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=9858

(see post #1 by Howard Brown, middle news clip)

[jerryd]

Jerrd

would an order given the day before have been enacted upon before the murder took place, a genuine question, Perhaps Monty or someone else would like to comment on that as well

Steve

Steve,

And a great question at that. I wish I had a definite answer, which I don't. Monty may, though.

The other interesting thing about the Castle Alley murder is the man Burrows, that was a night watchman for most of the carts in the alley, was also withdrawn from duty prior to the murder of Clay Pipe. Isaac Lewis Jacobs remarked to the police that the murderer may have known this fact. The beats of the officers were shortened and there were constantly men patrolling the alley every 10 minutes. Albert Bachert had received a letter, signed Jack the Ripper, just prior to this murder. He was the head of the Vigilance Committee at the time.

[Elamarna]

I do have a source, but I am waiting for my final piece of data before I reveal it.

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=9858

(see post #1 by Howard Brown, middle news clip)

interesting post Jerry,

hadn't noticed that before

Steve

[Elamarna]

Steve,

And a great question at that. I wish I had a definite answer, which I don't. Monty may, though.

The other interesting thing about the Castle Alley murder is the man Burrows, that was a night watchman for most of the carts in the alley, was also withdrawn from duty prior to the murder of Clay Pipe. Isaac Lewis Jacobs remarked to the police that the murderer may have known this fact. The beats of the officers were shortened and there were constantly men patrolling the alley every 10 minutes. Albert Bachert had received a letter, signed Jack the Ripper, just prior to this murder. He was the head of the Vigilance Committee at the time.

Jerry


Do you know how far in advance Burrows was withdrawn?
I suppose this is only important if you consider this to be a ripper killing, I do, but the last I heard that was still a minority, a very sizeable one but still a minority.

Who ever did this murder they were once again very lucky, even if they did know the times of the beats, these were not exact to the minute.
The chances of being caught out must have been high, especially with the Beat Sergeants about, and their movements obviously were not predictable.

Steve

[jerryd]

Steve,

Sorry to keep referring you to the other forum but I have already written about it there. http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....ows#post279488 (post #45).

I'll have to correct myself in this thread, Burrows owned the carts. He hired a nightwatchman that was let go prior to the murder in Castle Alley.

[Pierre]

I do have a source, but I am waiting for my final piece of data before I reveal it.

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=9858

(see post #1 by Howard Brown, middle news clip)

Hi Jerry,

Thanks a lot for the source. Interesting, although I think it is hard to explain (if you donīt think you know who the killer was) why the killer wanted to commit murder in Whitechapel in 1888 when there were a lot of police constables everywhere and then in 1889 he would have chosen the date for the murder of MacKenzie because they decreased the force.

I have only one hypothetical explanation for this and it has to do with his own life. And I donīt know if I think it is a very good hypothesis, although I think it is OK.

Regards Pierre

[Elamarna]

Steve,

Sorry to keep referring you to the other forum but I have already written about it there. http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....ows#post279488 (post #45).

I'll have to correct myself in this thread, Burrows owned the carts. He hired a nightwatchman that was let go prior to the murder in Castle Alley.

Jerry

No need to say sorry, I spend a fair amount of time there too, but finding a particular bit of info is not always straight forward.

many thanks for the link

steve