Daniel Barnett

[Natasha]

Hi All

Why would Daniel Barnett be visiting Kelly the night before she was murdered? Was he the killer?

Is it not strange that he was living in the Victoria Working Men's home where Hutchinson was residing? Could it be possible that Daniel Barnett was Hutchinson?

I'm sure I've read that there is no record for Hutchinson, as far as I know.

Perhaps the fight between Kelly and Barnett was to do with her bringing men home.

Could it be possible that Daniel Barnett was really going out with Kelly and not Joe? I was wondering this because Joe claimed to be married to Louisa in 1888.

It's funny how Joe's nickname was Danny. I know it's said that there was a resemblance between the two, but perhaps one of the Barnett's lost their jobs as a fish porter because one of them was using the porter's license in the others name.

[MayBea]

Is it not strange that he was living in the Victoria Working Men's home where Hutchinson was residing? Could it be possible that Daniel Barnett was Hutchinson?

I've never heard anyone suggest Dan Barnett and Hutch were the same guy, only Hutch and Joe Fleming. Fleming was at the VH too.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=7076

But the Victoria Homes was one of the bigger ones with a capacity in the hundreds.

In London, the largest doss-houses could had several hundred beds. Typical of the larger "model" doss-houses was the Victoria Homes at 39-41 Commercial Street and 177 Whitechapel Road.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/lodging/

[Natasha]

I've never heard anyone suggest Dan Barnett and Hutch were the same guy, only Hutch and Joe Fleming. Fleming was at the VH too.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=7076

But the Victoria Homes was one of the bigger ones with a capacity in the hundreds.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/lodging/

Hi MayBea

Thanks

Having read about Fleming's mistreatment of Kelly, I would assume he was a jealous, insecure man. I will go further and suggest also spiteful by way of feeling slighted by Kelly's choice for choosing Barnett, so much so that if he was Hutchinson, he would perhaps embellish the story by indicating Barnett as the suspect.

The Barnett's must have known Fleming.
I do wonder what the relationship between Fleming and Barnett was like. I know there wouldn't be pleasantries, I wonder if they ever had any physical fights.

Of course we have Barnett's word for it that Kelly was scared of a man. If it was Fleming, could Barnett have 'sorted' him out? As to prevent Kelly from being hassled? If she was scared of Fleming, could it be because she was fearful of retaliation?

Perhaps the Barnett's were keeping their eye on Fleming.

[Wickerman]

Hi Natasha.
If Hutchinson was really Fleming, then in going to the police he runs the risk of being confronted with any witness the police have, including anyone who knew Kelly and could recognise her earlier boyfriend, Joseph Fleming.

[GUT]

G'day Natasha

I do wonder what the relationship between Fleming and Barnett was like. I know there wouldn't be pleasantries, I wonder if they ever had any physical fights.

Why? Plenty of people get on well with their partners Ex even if there have been problems between the partner and the ex.

And in a fight the 6'7" Flemming would just hold Joe off with one long arm

[Natasha]

Hi Natasha.
If Hutchinson was really Fleming, then in going to the police he runs the risk of being confronted with any witness the police have, including anyone who knew Kelly and could recognise her earlier boyfriend, Joseph Fleming.

Hi Jon

I don't think Fleming was Hutchinson and what you have said adds another valid reason for him not being Hutchinson.

[Natasha]

G'day Natasha



Why? Plenty of people get on well with their partners Ex even if there have been problems between the partner and the ex.

And in a fight the 6'7" Flemming would just hold Joe off with one long arm

Hi Gut

I'm just going on what Barnett said Kelly said, that Fleming was violent. Of course it's perfectly reasonable that ex s can get on. The thing is though that if kelly left, and Fleming didn't want to let her go and the night Kelly met Barnett she relaid her fears about Fleming to Barnett. He wanting to protect her would be on her side.


That's why it would make sense that both the Barnett Brothers would perhaps sort Fleming out. Of course a kick in the sack would have brought him to his knees.