Some questions re. Lechmere

[Pierre]

Sorry about that. I mistakenly thought that "I assume you must feel that the documentary made a huge error by omitting such a key part of the evidence?" was a question.

Goodnight now, Sir David.

Yes, indeed. Sir David is the one who must concentrate.

Regards, Pierre

[David Orsam]

Sorry about that. I mistakenly thought that "I assume you must feel that the documentary made a huge error by omitting such a key part of the evidence?" was a question.

You really must concentrate Fisherman. I was talking about my #76 obviously. Because I said you had successfully managed to divert attention away from the issues I raised. There were no questions in that post. And, in any case, no, when I said "I assume you must feel...." I wasn't being so foolish as to ask you a question (because you don't answer them).

[MrBarnett]

Fish,

I think we may have to eat our words.

David has managed to Google an image of a crouching man with the caption:

'Portait of a smiling cute guy 'kneeling' over the white background'

Obviously the last word on late Victorian working class English usage.

Gary

[David Orsam]

Fish,

I think we may have to eat our words.

David has managed to Google an image of a crouching man with the caption:

'Portait of a smiling cute guy kneeling over the white background'

Obviously the last word on late Victorian working class English usage.

Gary

I posted five links images there of people who I would say are kneeling but who you prefer to say crouching. And I could have posted many more. It's really much of a muchness. This is Wiki:

"To crouch means "to bend down; to stoop low; to lie close to the ground with legs bent, as an animal when waiting for prey or in fear."

Crouching may involve squatting or kneeling"

It's a variation of the same thing. That's how people speak Gary. I've no doubt that was the same in 1888 for all classes.

The real issue here, however, is that I managed to find those five images immediately from a Google images search of the word "kneeling" yet Fisherman who did the same search appears to have missed them all. Funny that.

[MrBarnett]

I posted five links images there of people who I would say are kneeling but who you prefer to say crouching. And I could have posted many more. It's really much of a muchness. This is Wiki:

"To crouch means "to bend down; to stoop low; to lie close to the ground with legs bent, as an animal when waiting for prey or in fear."

Crouching may involve squatting or kneeling"

It's a variation of the same thing. That's how people speak Gary. I've no doubt that was the same in 1888 for all classes.

The real issue here, however, is that I managed to find those five images immediately from a Google images search of the word "kneeling" yet Fisherman who did the same search appears to have missed them all. Funny that.

No, David, that's not how people with English as a first language speak. 'Kneeling' means supporting oneself by one or more knees.

[David Orsam]

No, David, that's not how people with English as a first language speak. 'Kneeling' means supporting oneself by one or more knees.

Yes I'm agreeing - and have already agreed - but that knee doesn't have to touch the floor. You can support yourself on bended knee or knees which don't touch the floor. English is my first language and if I kneel down outside in the street to do something, say tie my shoelace, I'm not going to place my knee on the ground. I don't crouch down to tie my shoelace I kneel down to do it. Same if I was going to kneel down temporarily to check if someone was breathing in the street.

It's not even important because by kneeling - however he did it - it doesn't mean that Paul would automatically have got blood on his trousers.

[MrBarnett]

Yes I'm agreeing - and have already agreed - but that knee doesn't have to touch the floor. You can support yourself on bended knee or knees which don't touch the floor. English is my first language and if I kneel down outside in the street to do something, say tie my shoelace, I'm not going to place my knee on the ground. I don't crouch down to tie my shoelace I kneel down to do it. Same if I was going to kneel down temporarily to check if someone was breathing in the street.

It's not even important because by kneeling - however he did it - it doesn't mean that Paul would automatically have got blood on his trousers.

David,

If the knee isn't touching the floor, it is not providing support, the foot is. I thought Casebook had reached the bottom of the barrel with Pierre's insistence that 'closing time' had something to do with road closure. I was wrong: this site has become so 'clever' it's absurd.

Gary

[Columbo]

Yes I'm agreeing - and have already agreed - but that knee doesn't have to touch the floor. You can support yourself on bended knee or knees which don't touch the floor. English is my first language and if I kneel down outside in the street to do something, say tie my shoelace, I'm not going to place my knee on the ground. I don't crouch down to tie my shoelace I kneel down to do it. Same if I was going to kneel down temporarily to check if someone was breathing in the street.

It's not even important because by kneeling - however he did it - it doesn't mean that Paul would automatically have got blood on his trousers.

No you would technically crouch to tie your shoe. Some say kneeling, they're wrong.

Columbo

[Columbo]

David,

If the knee isn't touching the floor, it is not providing support, the foot is. I thought Casebook had reached the bottom of the barrel with Pierre's insistence that 'closing time' had something to do with road closure. I was wrong: this site has become so 'clever' it's absurd.

Gary

Absolutely ridiculous argument, and I wasted time reading it!

Columbo

[MrBarnett]

Absolutely ridiculous argument, and I wasted time reading it!

Columbo

And even more time involving yourself in it?

[Columbo]

And even more time involving yourself in it?

Without a doubt!

Columbo

[David Orsam]

Some say kneeling, they're wrong.

Thank you for making my point for me Columbo. Some would say "kneeling", exactly. That's what people say. They might not technically be correct but that's how it is used in normal every day speech.

[David Orsam]

David,

If the knee isn't touching the floor, it is not providing support, the foot is. I thought Casebook had reached the bottom of the barrel with Pierre's insistence that 'closing time' had something to do with road closure. I was wrong: this site has become so 'clever' it's absurd

You are so focussed on the definition of a word that you have ignored the bigger point that I just made that it's not even important because however he did it wouldn't automatically involve blood being on the trousers.

And by focussing on the technical definition of the word you guys failing to even understand what I'm saying. I'm talking about someone kneeling outside in the street. You can call it a "street kneel" if you want. You tend not to put your knee on the ground. But you would still say "kneeling". Or some people do anyway.

[GUT]

Funny Pierre now wants to apply legal principles. Takes it out of an Historians realm I'd have thought.

[Columbo]

So not to put fuel to the fire but, theoretically if Paul did kneel to the point that he would get blood on his pants, would he not also have slipped in the blood, or the very least stuck his boot in it? In other words what I'm saying is he would have to be very, very close to Nichols to do either because there was not a huge splash of blood beyond her clothes, except the possible drainage to the gutter.

Columbo