Suspect battle: Cross/Lechmere vs. Hutchinson

[Elamarna]

Hi Rainbow,

in post 462 you gave some very clear timings for the murder of Nichiols, I asked how you came to these conclusions?

you have not answered,

So I ask again where do you get the timings from? or have you simply invented them?


Steve

[Rainbow]

Lechmere found a body on the way to work. So what? Some people have obviously swallowed Fisherman's lies and bullshit.

I see now where your and others problem comes from..

It is not Lechmere found a body on his way to work..

Its Paul who found a body and a man standing by this body on his way to work....

that makes all the difference......

[John Wheat]

Lechmere is the only suspect we can build a case against him in court.

others are even not considered to be suspects at all...

No Bury is the only suspect you could build a case against in court. Lechmere found a body on the way to work. So what? Some people have obviously swallowed Fisherman's lies and bullshit.

[Abby Normal]

Paul said:

"It was exactly a quarter to four when I passed up Buck's-row in my work as a carman for Covent-garden market. It was dark, and I was hurrying along, when I saw a man standing where the woman was"

Paul was in a hurry, Lechmere has no chance to flee.. it was too late ...

Paul saw a man standing where the woman was ( the woman whom is still bleeding ) !!

even without Lechmere giving a false name, he is the one and only suspect in this whole case

to be quite honest, this is one little post pretty much sums up concisely the validity of lech as a suspect in Nichols murder.

[Elamarna]

Paul said:

"It was exactly a quarter to four when I passed up Buck's-row in my work as a carman for Covent-garden market. It was dark, and I was hurrying along, when I saw a man standing where the woman was"

Paul was in a hurry, Lechmere has no chance to flee.. it was too late ...

Paul saw a man standing where the woman was ( the woman whom is still bleeding ) !!

even without Lechmere giving a false name, he is the one and only suspect in this whole case

Dear Rainbow,

All I am asking is for you to tell us where the 3 timings you gave came from?

Steve

[Rainbow]

Paul said:

"It was exactly a quarter to four when I passed up Buck's-row in my work as a carman for Covent-garden market. It was dark, and I was hurrying along, when I saw a man standing where the woman was"

Paul was in a hurry, Lechmere has no chance to flee.. it was too late ...

Paul saw a man standing where the woman was ( the woman whom is still bleeding ) !!

even without Lechmere giving a false name, he is the one and only suspect in this whole case

[Elamarna]

Those who choose to belive there was a phantom killer who butchered Nichols .. and while he was mutilating her, he was interrubted by Lenchmer, who the also wanted to approach the body, and while he was trying to do so he was then also interrupted by Paul.....

its more like a football match here... three players running after the same ball....

... not an empty dark and calm street, at a very early hour in the morning, where no one even Paul heared a thing, not even the foot steps of two assumed players, captin Jack , and the lated to work but curious to discover objects on the way .. Lechmere

Rainbow


is that a reply to my post #466 or just a general one.


I would again ask where you got the figures for the timings you quote from?


regards


Steve

[Rainbow]

Those who choose to belive there was a phantom killer who butchered Nichols .. and while he was mutilating her, he was interrubted by Lenchmer, who the also wanted to approach the body, and while he was trying to do so he was then also interrupted by Paul.....

its more like a football match here... three players running after the same ball....

... not an empty dark and calm street, at a very early hour in the morning, where no one even Paul heared a thing, not even the foot steps of two assumed players, captin Jack , and the lated to work but curious to discover objects on the way .. Lechmere

[Elamarna]

Nichlos must have spoken to the murderer, there were at least 3 minutes communication before the sudden attack of Lechmere

How do you know this?

What are you basing that statement on please?

which last for another 3 minutes minimum,

Again, how do you know this?

then 3 minutes till Paul come close... and she was still bleeding by the feet of Lechmere...

Once again where do you get this figure of 3 minutes from?





with interest


Steve

[Harry D]

what makes me laugh, is the silly idea, that a phantom killer has been interrubted by Lechmere, who then also been interrubted by Paul .. all that happening within minutes at a very early hour of the morning, in an empty street.

Not really. If anything it proves that if one carman hadn't found the body on his way to work, another would have.

[Rainbow]

what makes me laugh, is the silly idea, that a phantom killer has been interrubted by Lechmere, who then also been interrubted by Paul .. all that happening within minutes at a very early hour of the morning, in an empty street.

just becouse they don't dare to say Lechmere has been interrubted by Paul, who didn't hear any foot steps..

[Rainbow]

Lechmere is the only suspect we can build a case against him in court.

others are even not considered to be suspects at all...

[Rainbow]

Lechmere stated he was standing in the middle of the street, near the body, which he had approached because he had mistook the shape of the woman for "a man's tarpaulin coat."

and what the hell do you want a killer to say huh ?!

that I was mutilating her when I heared Paul approaching, so I pulled the dress down over the wounds and stood up ?!

There was no way to hunt a serial kilker at that time till you catch him red handed, no suspect ever will come even close to Lechmere from this aspect, he was standing by a freshly bleeding and recently murdered woman, not finishing his mutilation, and Paul didn't hear him walking.

not saying that he gave a different name too.

and you want us to believe in Druitt guilt or kosminski ... those poor persons that have nothing connecting them to any murder what so ever

Nichlos must have spoken to the murderer, there were at least 3 minutes communication before the sudden attack of Lechmere which last for another 3 minutes minimum, then 3 minutes till Paul come close... and she was still bleeding by the feet of Lechmere...

[John Wheat]

John,

I will have to disagree with you on that, the evidence is not unreliable, it is however open to a limited amount of interpretation, to say it could be 30 minutes is in my opinion stretching that too far.


However I have made it clear that I do not agree that Lechmere was the killer, and having been arguing with a degree of success that even allowing for the blood evidence as given by Fisherman, the case against Lechmere is far from conclusive.

best wishes


steve

Hi Steve

I did say could. It's clear to me there could have been a sizeable gap between the killer absconding and Lechmere finding the body. In the absence of anything that actually points to Lechmere the idea of him being JTR is laughable.

Cheers John

[Pcdunn]

Wrong, Grasshopper...

Lechmere has been cought over a still bleeding woman that has been killed withen 5 minutes, Paul didn't hear foot steps, and he was also afraid of him.

Despite what the documentary film about Lechmere demonstrated in its graphic recreation, Cross/Lechmere was not kneeling, crouched over, or hacking away at Polly's inert body when Paul approached.

Lechmere stated he was standing in the middle of the street, near the body, which he had approached because he had mistook the shape of the woman for "a man's tarpaulin coat."

Paul was nervous because robbers frequented the area, and he was trying to bypass Lechmere when the latter touched him and said "Come look at this woman."

Finally, re the frequent comments by witnesses and neighbors in Whitechapel that they "never heard or saw a thing", the simplest explanation is that none of them told the truth to the authorities.