Are William Henry Bury and James Kelly overlooked?

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  • Abby Normal
    Commissioner
    • Jun 2010
    • 11955

    #31
    Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post

    Thanks Belloc

    You got there before me lol!

    The reason this is significant is that room 11 was the room directly opposite room 13

    (*note that I said room 7 from memory, but it was room 11 to which I was referring)


    So, just to be clear....

    Henry Hanslope stayed in the room opposite room 13 and would have had a clear view of Kelly's window.

    He was in that room in February 1889, which is 3 months after the murder.

    The question is; how long BEFORE this was he staying in room 11?

    The person who occupied room 11 has never been identified.


    However, there IS a newspaper article that I found which clearly states that the Porter who was stopped by police had come from the room opposite.

    Henry Hanslope labelled himself a Porter.

    As did the man who was stopped by the police on his way out of the court the morning after the murder.

    So we have a man who rapes his own 13 year old daughter, threatens to murder his wife, and violently beats his own mother....possibly staying in the room opposite Kelly.

    Henry also went around impersonating a police detective.

    Kelly expressed concern that the Ripper would get her.


    Perhaps her killer led her into a false sense of security?


    "You'll be alright for what I've told you."
    thanks rd and belloc
    well it looks like he was probably there during the murders. wow. if anyone knows me, proximity to a victim and close location are big in terms of validity as a suspect. ive always thought that the evidence indicates mary and her killer probably knew each other and looks like he was her close neighbor. this guys a very valid suspect imho.

    do we have any kind of description of his appearance?
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

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    • Belloc
      Constable
      • Oct 2022
      • 76

      #32
      Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

      do we have any kind of description of his appearance?
      I've yet to find one.

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      • The Rookie Detective
        Chief Inspector
        • Apr 2019
        • 1997

        #33
        Just wanted to highlight that pretty much everything I've learnt about Hanslope, has been from either Debra, Belloc, or the late great Mr Chris Scott.

        There have been a few others of course who have also carried out research on Hanslope and so I am merely sitting on the shoulders of giants with this one.

        I have found a few interesting snippets about Hanslope, that I am unaware have been mentioned before, but it's likely I am merely highlighting what someone else has already discovered.

        There are a few points that work against him having been the Ripper, that include his going in and out of the workhouse on scores of occasions; at one stage he was in and out of the workhouse like a yo-yo.

        But as far as I'm aware, he wasn't in the workhouse when Kelly was murdered.

        But he possibly WAS for at least one of the other Canonical 5 murders.

        This is where the case against him is brought into question.

        A fascinating individual nonetheless



        "Great minds, don't think alike"

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        • Lewis C
          Inspector
          • Dec 2022
          • 1221

          #34
          Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post
          There are a few points that work against him having been the Ripper, that include his going in and out of the workhouse on scores of occasions; at one stage he was in and out of the workhouse like a yo-yo.

          But as far as I'm aware, he wasn't in the workhouse when Kelly was murdered.

          But he possibly WAS for at least one of the other Canonical 5 murders.

          This is where the case against him is brought into question.
          If it is just a case of him possibly being in the workhouse during one of the C5 murders, I think that's a fairly small point against his suspect status. There are other viable suspects who were possibly not in the London area or possibly in prison at the time. It's when it becomes probably rather than possibly that we can really start to question the viability of a suspect.

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