For those who don't believe in "JTR"

[Lechmere]

I'm not saying it Cog.
My guess is one serial killer who did a lot more than 5 and several independents - with somewhere near twenty crimes involved in all.

[Debra A]

So we're saying, are we, that there were two entirely separate serial killers floating around in London between, at least, say 1888 and 1889?

All the best

Dave

Dave, I think I would be saying that it's really quite impossible to know for certain as no one was ever brought to justice for any of the crimes.

[lynn cates]

carried

Hello Jon.

"here we have someone carrying a woman's torso."

Indeed. But how carried? Perhaps as a parcel in a wheelbarrow? Much less risk.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Not n'est-ce pas--Hershey's.

Hello Hastings (AKA, Jon).

"Indeed Dave, and that is if we assume all the Whitechapel Murders, from Tabram to Coles, are applied to the same hand. If not then, three killers?, four,...five?
We're playing right into Lynn's hands with this..."

You are acute as ever mon ami. I see you have been agitating ze little grey cells, n'est-ce pas? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[GUT]

Hello Jon.

"here we have someone carrying a woman's torso."

Indeed. But how carried? Perhaps as a parcel in a wheelbarrow? Much less risk.

Cheers.
LC

G'day Lynn

So why couldn't Jacky boy have wrapped his trophies into a parcel?

[lynn cates]

on deposit

Hello GUT. Thanks.

I'm not sure what you are asking? Of course, I don't believe in Jack and I make no assumptions about trophies.

If you are asking about, say, Annie's slayer, Could he have deposited her uterus in a cloth? I suppose. And is this relevant to the case?

Cheers.
LC

[GUT]

G'day Lynn

Hello GUT. Thanks.

I'm not sure what you are asking? Of course, I don't believe in Jack and I make no assumptions about trophies.

If you are asking about, say, Annie's slayer, Could he have deposited her uterus in a cloth? I suppose. And is this relevant to the case?

Cheers.
LC

I know you don't believe in a "Ripper" but you commented that the Torso killer could perhaps walk around with the torso by wrapping it in a parcel, my post was relevant to the fact that so why couldn't any killer who took trophies?

[Observer]

So we're saying, are we, that there were two entirely separate serial killers floating around in London between, at least, say 1888 and 1889?

All the best

Dave

What are the odds Dave In such a tiny area over a remarkably short space of time? I've looked and looked, and can't find two mutilators operating in a situation which mirrors the Whitechapel atrocities. However, Stan Reid will now prove me incorrect I suspect. And forget the smoke and mirrors regarding sloppy cuts, two of the victims receiving two neck wounds another one, uterii harvesters, offal seller's, skilled dissector, unskilled dissector. The injuries point to a single killer.

Regards

Observer

[lynn cates]

wrapping

Hello GUT. Thanks.

Well, we know that there were ladies killed and that only their torsos remained. We know further that they were moved from point A (place killed) to point B (place found)--I make no mention about intermediate points.

The suggestion is that they were likely concealed by cloth or such and wheeled to point B in a barrow, or similar.

Now, by parity of reasoning, IF there were a killer who collected "trophies," and IF he wished to transport them, I see no overweening law of nature to prevent their being wrapped, etc.

Cheers.
LC

[GUT]

G'day Lynn

Hello GUT. Thanks.

Well, we know that there were ladies killed and that only their torsos remained. We know further that they were moved from point A (place killed) to point B (place found)--I make no mention about intermediate points.

The suggestion is that they were likely concealed by cloth or such and wheeled to point B in a barrow, or similar.

Now, by parity of reasoning, IF there were a killer who collected "trophies," and IF he wished to transport them, I see no overweening law of nature to prevent their being wrapped, etc.

Cheers.
LC

While I am far from persuaded by the multiple killer hypothesis I am open to persuasion, there are certainly worse ideas floating around.

[lynn cates]

sensible

Hello GUT. Thanks.

Now THAT is a sensible position to have. I realise it is a tough sell; and, frankly, I'm not sure I wish to sell it. I prefer to let all weigh it and decide.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon.

"here we have someone carrying a woman's torso."

Indeed. But how carried? Perhaps as a parcel in a wheelbarrow? Much less risk.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.

Less risk from inquisitive constables, but far more noticeable, and likely memorable by anyone on the street.

[lynn cates]

remember

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Would that not be like remembering any work person passing by?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Would that not be like remembering any work person passing by?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.
Yes it would.
Remembering a pushcart, a horse & cart, a carriage or wheelbarrow, costermongers, fruit sellers, anyone pushing or riding on a conveyance of any description at any time of day or night.
Thats how the police start an investigation, dozens of leads until they whittle them down.

[lynn cates]

perhaps

Hello Jon. Thanks.You may be right.

But ask me about the car that just passed on my street.

Cheers.
LC