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  • thewoo1
    Cadet
    • Sep 2010
    • 12

    #1

    Police agency knowledge

    In some books it is stated that Scotland yard Metro had known who the ripper was. People like Swanson Abberline etc. In your opinions is this valid and if so the list of suspects would be short instead of the wide range of suspects. just curious as a sidebar everybook I read seems so convincing and yet I am more confused than ever. How far off am I to think that jtr is not a name we have heard of. thanks for your advanced input
  • DJA
    *
    • May 2015
    • 4700

    #2
    I have no doubt that Major Henry Smith knew.

    Ditto Abberline.

    Doubt it was a big secret in certain circles like the medical profession.

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    • John Wheat
      Assistant Commissioner
      • Jul 2008
      • 3400

      #3
      No they had very little idea who the Ripper was.

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      • thewoo1
        Cadet
        • Sep 2010
        • 12

        #4
        Your two different opinions make this a crime we are still discussing....amazing !

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        • thewoo1
          Cadet
          • Sep 2010
          • 12

          #5
          130 plus years the greatest crime mystery still discussed by people around the world. Opinions so varied and speculative that no one can come to conclusion as each has,some merit for most part.. Everyone looking for a open door to the truth
          Last edited by thewoo1; 12-05-2024, 09:30 PM.

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          • FISHY1118
            Assistant Commissioner
            • May 2019
            • 3658

            #6
            Nobody except the C5 ever saw or knew who the Ripper was.
            'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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            • Fiver
              Assistant Commissioner
              • Oct 2019
              • 3351

              #7
              Here's what some of the police thought.

              MeNaughton's views were anything but universal.

              * Abberline dismissed Kosminski and Druitt as suspects. He favored George Chapman, but said nobody knew for sure.
              * Littlechild favored Tumblety and appears to have dismissed all of McNaughton's suspects.
              * Smith said none of the police knew who the Ripper was and specifically dismissed Kosminski.​
              * Reid thought there were 9 victims killed between 1888 and 1892. That appears to dismiss Kosminki and definitely dismissed Druitt. In 1912 he said nobody knew who the Ripper was, specifically dismissing all of McNaughton's suspects.
              * Arnold though there were only 4 victims.
              * Dew thought that Emma Smith and Martha Tabram were Ripper victims. He had no suspect.​

              Most other police did not say how many victims they thought there were.​
              "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

              "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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              • thewoo1
                Cadet
                • Sep 2010
                • 12

                #8
                thankyou fiver that post very informative and amazing in how different the views

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                • GBinOz
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Jun 2021
                  • 3046

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Fiver View Post
                  Here's what some of the police thought.

                  MeNaughton's views were anything but universal.

                  * Abberline dismissed Kosminski and Druitt as suspects. He favored George Chapman, but said nobody knew for sure.
                  * Littlechild favored Tumblety and appears to have dismissed all of McNaughton's suspects.
                  * Smith said none of the police knew who the Ripper was and specifically dismissed Kosminski.​
                  * Reid thought there were 9 victims killed between 1888 and 1892. That appears to dismiss Kosminki and definitely dismissed Druitt. In 1912 he said nobody knew who the Ripper was, specifically dismissing all of McNaughton's suspects.
                  * Arnold though there were only 4 victims.
                  * Dew thought that Emma Smith and Martha Tabram were Ripper victims. He had no suspect.​

                  Most other police did not say how many victims they thought there were.​
                  Hi Fiver,

                  Of those you have named, Abberline and Reid were the experienced "feet on the ground" experts, Reid possibly more so as Abberline was "imported" for the task. Of Reid's nine victims, no one knows if they were all by the same hand, or the distribution if they were not.

                  Cheers, George
                  No experience of the failure of his policy could shake his belief in its essential excellence - The March of Folly by Barbara Tuchman

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                  • DJA
                    *
                    • May 2015
                    • 4700

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
                    Nobody except the C5 ever saw or knew who the Ripper was.
                    Try telling that to Eddowes after her next door neighbor was murdered.

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                    • FISHY1118
                      Assistant Commissioner
                      • May 2019
                      • 3658

                      #11
                      What are you saying / suggesting?
                      'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                      • John Wheat
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3400

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
                        What are you saying / suggesting?
                        It's some guff about a particular surgeon bumping off victims and something about blackmail. With absolutely nothing to back it up.

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                        • The Baron
                          Inspector
                          • Feb 2019
                          • 1492

                          #13
                          Originally posted by thewoo1 View Post
                          In some books it is stated that Scotland yard Metro had known who the ripper was. People like Swanson Abberline etc. In your opinions is this valid and if so the list of suspects would be short instead of the wide range of suspects. just curious as a sidebar everybook I read seems so convincing and yet I am more confused than ever. How far off am I to think that jtr is not a name we have heard of. thanks for your advanced input

                          There was an eyewitness, and there was an
                          identification.

                          What left are circles, smoke, and mirrors


                          The Baron

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                          • FISHY1118
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • May 2019
                            • 3658

                            #14
                            Originally posted by The Baron View Post


                            There was an eyewitness, and there was an
                            identification.

                            What left are circles, smoke, and mirrors


                            The Baron
                            Could you elaborate a bit for us baron. ?
                            'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                            • thewoo1
                              Cadet
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 12

                              #15
                              baron would that be bucks row murder?

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