Stride: Yes, No or God Knows?!

[Jon Guy]

Well, both victims, killed within an hour of each other, were both female and in their 40s, both living on Flower and Dean Street (a fair distance from where both women were killed) and both died from having their left carotid attacked.

[Sam Flynn]

I agree - a point to add for thinking Stride was a victim of the ripper are the times of the two murders - what you would expect if the murderer was interupted and looked for a second victim immediately afterwards having put some distance between himself and the murder scene of Elizabeth Stride.

I think that could be an argument against. The fact that he found a favourable victim under favourable circumstances relatively soon after the Stride murder decreases the likelihood that it was the same perpetrator, imho.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Thanks to Fiver for adding a bit of red to the colour scheme.

[S.Brett]

I agree - a point to add for thinking Stride was a victim of the ripper are the times of the two murders - what you would expect if the murderer was interupted and looked for a second victim immediately afterwards having put some distance between himself and the murder scene of Elizabeth Stride.

... just briefly a few quickly thoughts... Iīm very busy today...

IMO it is possible that there was no attack (as it was seen & described by Schwartz) but rather a drunken man who had molested a woman (Stride), a scene probably watched by the Ripper ("Pipeman"?). Maybe he demonstrated a behaviour of a man she could trust. But in his eyes she was an easy victim. A victim which appeared out of nothing.

Another idea:

BS Man was the Ripper and the attack on Stride was one of his usual assaults against a prostitute, something he often did. And for "Pipeman", hearing the word "Lipski" (or something similar) meant "catch him" because he thought Schwartz was the man who had attacked Stride shortly before & BS Man is a person who, now, does take care of her. I believe that Pipeman was found but could not described the BS Man because everything happened so quickly. In a scenario like this what did happen in the next 10-15 minutes? Maybe BS Man went away. Schwartz and "Pipeman" did not return to the spot. Did BS Man notice that Stride had seen him entering a house in the neighbourhood, did she shout something after him, something like "Now I know who you are, the man the police is looking for, the Whitechapel murderer, just a few minutes and the Constable (PC Smith) will discover where you lives." The rest is history, he killed Stride because she was a "witness" and then afterwards he killed Eddowes to fulfill his real intent.

Karsten.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I'm not sure why the last choice is there. Choice A does not necessitate she was killed by BS man. So I'd cut the last choice if you just want to know if people think she is Ripper victim. If you really want to assess attitudes toward BS man too, choice A should be revised like the last choice as such "Stride was a Ripper victim and was killed by BS man."

On reflection i should have put - killed by BSMan the ripper - killed by BSMan not the ripper - killed by anon the ripper - killed by anon not the ripper.

It’s a bit late to scrap it and start again though. Initially I was just looking at ripper - yes or no.

[Barnaby]

I'm not sure why the last choice is there. Choice A does not necessitate she was killed by BS man. So I'd cut the last choice if you just want to know if people think she is Ripper victim. If you really want to assess attitudes toward BS man too, choice A should be revised like the last choice as such "Stride was a Ripper victim and was killed by BS man."

[Lewis C]

I think (but am far from certain) that Stride was a Ripper victim, but I'm undecided, pretty much 50/50, about whether BS man killed her.

[etenguy]

In terms of time the murders of Stride ("after 12:45 AM") & Eddowes ("after 1:30 AM") were very close to each other. But I donīt think that the Stride murder was "planned" by the Ripper. Karsten.

I agree - a point to add for thinking Stride was a victim of the ripper are the times of the two murders - what you would expect if the murderer was interupted and looked for a second victim immediately afterwards having put some distance between himself and the murder scene of Elizabeth Stride.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I am now giddy with the thought of how much apparent power I possess.

c.d.

I’ll give it a couple of weeks then ask if anyone wants to change their vote to the one added then I can quote the poll with an amendment.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi c.d.

I’ll pm Jon Menges and ask if he can add ‘ripper victim but not killed by BSMan.’ Although it will be too late for those that have already voted.

Cheers Jon

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Michael! I would like to suggest the "time of death":

Eddowes "after 1:30 AM"

Nichols & Kelly "after 3:30 AM"
Chapman "after 5:20 AM"

The Eddowes murder took place earlier than the other murders (Nichols, Chapman, Kelly and probably Tabram).

In terms of time the murders of Stride ("after 12:45 AM") & Eddowes ("after 1:30 AM") were very close to each other. But I donīt think that the Stride murder was "planned" by the Ripper.

Karsten.

Hi SB,

I’ll add ‘earlier ToD’ to my first update. I’ll wait to see if anymore are put forward first.

[c.d.]

I am now giddy with the thought of how much apparent power I possess.

c.d.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

I think there has to be some way to vote indicating you believe Stride was a Ripper victim but not killed by the B.S. man.

c.d.

Hi c.d.

I’ll pm Jon Menges and ask if he can add ‘ripper victim but not killed by BSMan.’ Although it will be too late for those that have already voted.

[Kattrup]

I count Stride a Ripper-victim.

I don’t think the location was very exposed, compared to Eddowes and Nichols - in the open street!
I believe the killer closed at least half the gate, shielding the act.

[S.Brett]

Hi Michael! I would like to suggest the "time of death":

Eddowes "after 1:30 AM"

Nichols & Kelly "after 3:30 AM"
Chapman "after 5:20 AM"

The Eddowes murder took place earlier than the other murders (Nichols, Chapman, Kelly and probably Tabram).

In terms of time the murders of Stride ("after 12:45 AM") & Eddowes ("after 1:30 AM") were very close to each other. But I donīt think that the Stride murder was "planned" by the Ripper.

Karsten.