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  • G'Day Jon

    Who is going to get him 'in trouble'?, when it was a reality that cries of "murder" were common place in their neighborhood.
    Clearly a cry of murder was common, what did it mean, was it just lke we might say today b l o o d y hell?
    G U T

    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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    • Originally posted by GUT View Post
      G'Day Jon

      Clearly a cry of murder was common, what did it mean, was it just lke we might say today b l o o d y hell?
      Given the violent nature of the neighborhood as a whole, what would you expect anyone to shout if someone was being beaten to death?

      Our couch potato existence today does not allow us to appreciate the first idea of the desperate & dangerous conditions these East enders had to live with.
      Regards, Jon S.

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      • Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
        I wouldn't blame him at all for not getting involved. But then I wasn't paying him to do so. His boss was. There's also reputation to consider. In any event, it's all speculation in regards to what Hewitt did or didn't hear. But with Packer it's a fact that he lied.

        Yours truly,

        Tom Wescott
        Tom, even today Superintendents are not your typical local hero, quite the opposite.
        Regards, Jon S.

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        • G'Day Jon

          Given the violent nature of the neighborhood as a whole, what would you expect anyone to shout if someone was being beaten to death?
          But the two witnesses to the cry at Kelly's say they just ignored it because it was so common.


          Our couch potato existence today does not allow us to appreciate the first idea of the desperate & dangerous conditions these East enders had to live with.
          It is one of my greatest interest in the Ripper case, the abysmal conditions that the best off of these poor wretches lived. I grew up with me and my older brother sharing a 6 X 8 foot room, these poor so and so's crammed 6 - 10 people into a room not much bigger. The mind boggles.
          G U T

          There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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          • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
            Tom, even today Superintendents are not your typical local hero, quite the opposite.
            I'm not going to debate Hewitt with you, Wick. I made an observation based on his statement. I've drawn no firm conclusions. Had you made the observation first I'm sure you would have shared it as I did. But you didn't.

            Yours truly,

            Tom Wescott

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            • Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
              I'm not going to debate Hewitt with you, Wick. I made an observation based on his statement. I've drawn no firm conclusions. Had you made the observation first I'm sure you would have shared it as I did. But you didn't.

              Yours truly,

              Tom Wescott
              Actually Tom, when all is said and done I didn't see the need to interpret Hewitt's subsequent theory as a change of story.
              I thought you were stretching it a bit when you concluded your article with:

              "It was a true witness account of the murder of Martha Tabram."


              It is reasonable for anyone to conclude that a quarrel preceded such a violent attack, and the fact he heard nothing leads him to suggest that she and her killer crept up the stairs.
              I think we can all arrive at similar conclusions without actually seeing or hearing anything.

              Therefore, it isn't necessary to conclude that the Hewitt's changed their story.
              Regards, Jon S.

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