Evidence to prove a suspect valid

[lynn cates]

almost makes sense

Hello CD. Thanks.

I know one or two. Frankly, it almost makes sense. Something bad happens, a lass is killed. Jack did it.

Why not?

Cheers.
LC

[Errata]

"why are we equating ANY knife murder of a woman to one where the woman was a prostitute and had her throat cut and her internal organs removed and there was no known motive?"

Umm, because that is how the question was posed. If you wish to eliminate those without organ removal, voila, there go Polly and Liz.

Cheers.
LC

Why are we equating the cut throat murder of a woman with no mutilation with the murder of a woman that same night who looked like she got run over by a lawnmower?

Strides murder more closely resembles that of poor Hannah Potzdamer than Catherine Eddowes. Maybe Mr. Potzdamer did a trial run on some random woman before going after his wife.

[lynn cates]

comparisons

Hello Errata. Thanks.

Indeed--comparisons should be at a premium.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo all.

It is important to incorporate all the data. So, where Stride's injuries don't "match" other potential "JTR" victims, it should be kept in mind the scene where she was killed. Dark spot, body positioning to wall, a location good for discovery, etc. There are other simlarities to consider. I am not pro or anti Stride inclusion. There are more things to consider than just knife wounds to throats and abdomens. There are many conflictions as it pertains to Berner Street, so it boils down to what one chooses to support. Only things we really have are small amounts of forensic evidence. Wounds, body positioning, stupid f*****g cachous. "JTR"? 50/50 chance seems fair enough.

[GUT]

G'Day Digalittledeeperwatson

You forgot to add [in my opinion at least] the opinions of those on the ground that saw the crime scene and examined the body.

GUT

[DRoy]

There are knife murders and then there are knife murders.

And there are copycat knife murders.

Cheers
DRoy

[Tom_Wescott]

And copycat murderers never kill with the same precision as the professional they're copying. Stride was felled with one slice of the blade. Apparently most of you on this thread don't know or appreciate how rare that is. She was also rendered silent in a manner we can only guess at. This was neither a domestic murder nor was it her killer's first.

As for Errata's notion that Stride and Eddowes were so different as to not warrant comparison, I'd same the exact same is true with Nichols vs Eddowes, or Chapman vs Kelly. We're not dealing with absolutes here, we're dealing with probabilities, and the great wealth of evidence points towards the probability that whoever killed Eddowes killed Stride. In fact, it could be argued that's more of a probability than that the man who killed Nichols killed Eddowes.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[DRoy]

Tom,

Did all the victims suffer only one slice of the blade?

Just to be clear, my previous post was referencing the other possible Ripper victims and suspects not Stride.

Cheers
DRoy

[Tom_Wescott]

Tom,

Did all the victims suffer only one slice of the blade?

Just to be clear, my previous post was referencing the other possible Ripper victims and suspects not Stride.

Cheers
DRoy

Actually, Nichols and Chapman had two. But Stride and Eddowes had only one.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Errata]

Actually, Nichols and Chapman had two. But Stride and Eddowes had only one.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Eddowes had two. one was just pretty superficial. And you kinda gotta wonder what their definition of that is. Is superficial like a paper cut? Is it horrid merely not life threatening?

[GUT]

G'Day Errata

Eddowes had two. one was just pretty superficial. And you kinda gotta wonder what their definition of that is. Is superficial like a paper cut? Is it horrid merely not life threatening?

I've wondered the same thing what did they mean.

But I guess we'll never know.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo!

G'Day Digalittledeeperwatson

You forgot to add [in my opinion at least] the opinions of those on the ground that saw the crime scene and examined the body.

GUT

Certainly. But with conflicting opinions, and opinions in general, one should be wary since none of us know any of the people who were there. Their opinions shouldn't be disregarded by any means though.

[GUT]

G'Day Digalittledeeperwatson

Certainly. But with conflicting opinions, and opinions in general, one should be wary since none of us know any of the people who were there. Their opinions shouldn't be disregarded by any means though.

But I think their opinion deserves as much, if not more, weight than those of us looking on 125 years later.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo.

And copycat murderers never kill with the same precision as the professional they're copying. Stride was felled with one slice of the blade. Apparently most of you on this thread don't know or appreciate how rare that is. She was also rendered silent in a manner we can only guess at. This was neither a domestic murder nor was it her killer's first.

As for Errata's notion that Stride and Eddowes were so different as to not warrant comparison, I'd same the exact same is true with Nichols vs Eddowes, or Chapman vs Kelly. We're not dealing with absolutes here, we're dealing with probabilities, and the great wealth of evidence points towards the probability that whoever killed Eddowes killed Stride. In fact, it could be argued that's more of a probability than that the man who killed Nichols killed Eddowes.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Some things I agree with and some I don't. Your first paragraph is spot on and I think that those points get swept under the rug and forgotten often. Possibly for convience sake.

The possibility that Stride's murderer went on to murder Eddowes, is incredibly high. Probability not so high. Without actually doing any Math, as my sanity would probably completely crumble, I would estimate the probability between 15-35% in favour. Regardless, your points are very valid. The guy who's been running around slitting womens' throat isn't the last place I'm gonna start looking for a guy who slit some woman's throat. Unless there is something conclusive to remove the possibility. Which so far there just isn't.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo.

G'Day Digalittledeeperwatson



But I think their opinion deserves as much, if not more, weight than those of us looking on 125 years later.

Generally speaking yes. It is just good policy to exercise caution about people you've never met. And people you have met. Ah hell, I'm really paranoid so... I by no means view people from the past as idiots or lesser.