profile of Jack the ripper

[Abby Normal]

local
gentile
Englishman
in regular employment
25-35 years of age
former military. army or navy, sailor
single or dominant over wife
drinks in pubs
Familiar with prostitutes
average joe, known in neighborhood
average height, or just below
stout build, powerful physique
strong, athletic
streetwise, knows the area like the back of his hand
no previous criminal record, or very light
hair color brown to fair
mustache
clothes of note.. peaked cap
perceptive of surroundings, may know police behavior
skilled with knife
possible knowledge of anatomy and or surgery
no overt sexual abuse or rape to victims
no overt signs of torture
no overt mental illness
ruse used to trick victims
flattery and joking type conversation with victims to put them at ease
lets victims lead to secluded area
takes trophies, possesions and body parts
main focus is post mortem
main motivation is fascination, curiosity with what his knife can do to the female body
dissection, removal and taking away of internal and or external body parts.
maybe sexually incompetent
sociopath
narcissistic
thinks he's smarter than everyone else
poses victims and enjoys the shock value his crimes give
hates police
newspaper reader of his crimes
writes messages and or letters of his crimes
perceived as arrogant by his peers
relatively well dressed
probably middle class, not poor
street smart

[Herlock Sholmes]

Upper class, worked in the legal profession?

Worth a try.

[erobitha]

Loved to flog cotton...

Seeing as Herlock is having a punt

[Losmandris]

Appears a likely fit. Now how many people do we know like that wandering about at the time?

[FrankO]

Hi Abby & all,

Based on the evidence, I think he was:
- strong
- swift
- practical in the sense that he attacked & cut in such a way that he didn't get much blood on himself
- kept an eye & ear on his surroundings while with his victims
- local, who knew the area like the back of his hand
- right-handed
- enough in contol of himself as to not give himself away until it was too late for his victims
- someone who didn't stand out
- was driven by his desire to mutilate

Furthermore, it's my personal belief that he:
- was between 25 and 35 years old
- was probably living with family
- never had a serious relationship, but was very interested in the female body
- had read books about especially the female body & anatomy
- had quite possibly visited a museum where those wax women were on display (those who looked like Mary Ann Kelly)
- wasn't necessarily a smooth talker, but rather appeared to be quite timid and inoffensive
- showed money to get women to take him to quiet spots, letten them think they were going there for a knee-trembler
- quite possibly worked or had done work as a butcher of sorts

Just my 2 cents.

All the best,
Frank

PS I forgot to add that I think he didn't do what he did for shock value or notoriety, although he may very well have got to enjoy that after a while, as a by-product. I think, in general, he wasn't much interested in other people.

[Aethelwulf]

Hi Abby & all,

Based on the evidence, I think he was:
- strong
- swift
- practical in the sense that he attacked & cut in such a way that he didn't get much blood on himself
- kept an eye & ear on his surroundings while with his victims
- local, who knew the area like the back of his hand
- right-handed
- enough in contol of himself as to not give himself away until it was too late for his victims
- someone who didn't stand out
- was driven by his desire to mutilate

Furthermore, it's my personal belief that he:
- was between 25 and 35 years old
- was probably living with family
- never had a serious relationship, but was very interested in the female body
- had read books about especially the female body & anatomy
- had quite possibly visited a museum where those wax women were on display (those who looked like Mary Ann Kelly)
- wasn't necessarily a smooth talker, but rather appeared to be quite timid and inoffensive
- showed money to get women to take him to quiet spots, letten them think they were going there for a knee-trembler
- quite possibly worked or had done work as a butcher of sorts

Just my 2 cents.

All the best,
Frank

PS I forgot to add that I think he didn't do what he did for shock value or notoriety, although he may very well have got to enjoy that after a while, as a by-product. I think, in general, he wasn't much interested in other people.

Hi Frank, I like this as these things go. The only point I might alter is the 'quite timid and inoffensive' bit. For reasons I've suggested on other threads I have a feeling he might have been the other way. The closest I can suggest for an anology is someone like Bellfield. Some comments Sutton made about him:

• [Bellfield] has a massive ego to feed, he thinks he's God's gift to everyone. He drives around in his car, feels a bit 'whatever' and sees some young blonde girl. Young blonde girl says 'go away' and he thinks 'you dare to turn down Levi Bellfield, you're worth nothing' and then she gets a whack over the head. It is shown in the case of Kate Sheedy. She was smart enough to think she didn't like the look of his car and crosses the road. He thinks 'You think you're so clever' and whoosh, he runs her over.
• When we started dealing with him he came across as very jokey, like he's your best mate. But he's a cunning individual, violent. He can switch from being nice to being nasty, instantly

IMO

[Scott Nelson]

Didn't like prostitutes, or those he thought might be prostitutes.

[FrankO]

Hi Frank, I like this as these things go. The only point I might alter is the 'quite timid and inoffensive' bit. For reasons I've suggested on other threads I have a feeling he might have been the other way. The closest I can suggest for an anology is someone like Bellfield. Some comments Sutton made about him:

• [Bellfield] has a massive ego to feed, he thinks he's God's gift to everyone. He drives around in his car, feels a bit 'whatever' and sees some young blonde girl. Young blonde girl says 'go away' and he thinks 'you dare to turn down Levi Bellfield, you're worth nothing' and then she gets a whack over the head. It is shown in the case of Kate Sheedy. She was smart enough to think she didn't like the look of his car and crosses the road. He thinks 'You think you're so clever' and whoosh, he runs her over.
• When we started dealing with him he came across as very jokey, like he's your best mate. But he's a cunning individual, violent. He can switch from being nice to being nasty, instantly

IMO

Hi Wulf,

Thanks and, of course, the Ripper may well have been (more) like Bellfield. It's just a feeling that I have and feelings don't count for much. However, when I wrote that he would have appeared timid & inoffensive I didn't mean to say he actually was. What I meant was that in his daily life he would generally be seen as that and he would have given that impression to his victims too, but then, obviously, at some point he would have shown his true colours, switching from timid & inoffensive to being brutally nasty.

On the subject, I also believe he launched his initial attack when his victims were distracted, for instance, when they were putting away the money he'd given them.

And could you explain to me why you think he might have been the other way, as I haven't read the threads where you gave reasons why you think this?

Cheers,
Frank

[Aethelwulf]

Hi Wulf,

Thanks and, of course, the Ripper may well have been (more) like Bellfield. It's just a feeling that I have and feelings don't count for much. However, when I wrote that he would have appeared timid & inoffensive I didn't mean to say he actually was. What I meant was that in his daily life he would generally be seen as that and he would have given that impression to his victims too, but then, obviously, at some point he would have shown his true colours, switching from timid & inoffensive to being brutally nasty.

On the subject, I also believe he launched his initial attack when his victims were distracted, for instance, when they were putting away the money he'd given them.

And could you explain to me why you think he might have been the other way, as I haven't read the threads where you gave reasons why you think this?

Cheers,
Frank

Yes I agree when looking victims and going with them he would have come across as extremely normal. I was more thinking about what he was like day-to-day. Was he the quiet man who kept himself to himself, or was he the confident, boasting, egotistical type? My argument is nothing more than speculation based on more speculation. Be interested to see what the new NCA profile suggests.

[Trevor Marriott]

Yes I agree when looking victims and going with them he would have come across as extremely normal. I was more thinking about what he was like day-to-day. Was he the quiet man who kept himself to himself, or was he the confident, boasting, egotistical type? My argument is nothing more than speculation based on more speculation. Be interested to see what the new NCA profile suggests.

Even modern-day profilers cannot be totally accurate when trying to profile a modern-day serial killer, so they have no chance of being able to accurately profile a serial killer from 1888, but when the profile is produced I am sure there will be those who will want to channel it in the direction of which suspect it favours

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Aethelwulf]

I actually wonder if there is any point posting anything on this site.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I actually wonder if there is any point posting anything on this site.

I know how you feel Wulf.

[GUT]

I actually wonder if there is any point posting anything on this site.

It is Why I am fast losing interest.

[FISHY1118]

Too much effort these days .

[John Wheat]

Yes I agree when looking victims and going with them he would have come across as extremely normal. I was more thinking about what he was like day-to-day. Was he the quiet man who kept himself to himself, or was he the confident, boasting, egotistical type? My argument is nothing more than speculation based on more speculation. Be interested to see what the new NCA profile suggests.

I've noticed that Bury roughly fits most of the profiles. That can't be a coincidence.