Which Suspects are Viable candidates

[barnflatwyngarde]

Actually yes, monthly figures for suicides were published in the press.
We did this on one of the last Druitt threads as part of the rational against Macnaghten just picking Druitt because he killed himself. There were plenty of others to choose from if Macnaghten simply wanted to pin the crimes on a recent suicide.

Thanks for this Wick.

If the killer was a local man, I think it distinctly possible/probable* (* delete where applicable) that his death would be recorded among those local men who died, possibly by suicide, in the six months since the Kelly murder.

[Wickerman]

To my mind, the three most viable candidates are Kozminski, Druitt and Blotchy.

Although I do think that the killer was probably Blotchy.

Nothing dramatic here, just a psychopathic, broad shouldered local man who probably died soon after the Kelly murder.

In relation to my last point, has anyone researched suicides of men in the Whitechapel area in the six months after the Kelly murder?

Actually yes, monthly figures for suicides were published in the press.
We did this on one of the last Druitt threads as part of the rational against Macnaghten just picking Druitt because he killed himself. There were plenty of others to choose from if Macnaghten simply wanted to pin the crimes on a recent suicide.

[barnflatwyngarde]

To my mind, the three most viable candidates are Kozminski, Druitt and Blotchy.

Although I do think that the killer was probably Blotchy.

Nothing dramatic here, just a psychopathic, broad shouldered local man who probably died soon after the Kelly murder.

In relation to my last point, has anyone researched suicides of men in the Whitechapel area in the six months after the Kelly murder?

[DJA]

None of it is evidence he was Jack the Ripper though.

That post was a reply to Wickerman regarding cessation of murders after Mary Kelly.

I have much more than that and have posted most of it before.

[John Wheat]

At least 5 sentences are fact.

2nd and 4th also have support.

None of it is evidence he was Jack the Ripper though.

[Ally]

try the creative writing thread

If this were the standard, all suspect theorizing would be in the Creative Writing thread. The Lechmere suspect most assuredly would.

Hmm....

[Ally]

Hi Ally

I believe Ted Bundy was a suspect in some of his earlier murders and was pulled up in his car at one point were the police found some incriminating evidence but not enough to charge him with.

Geesh, how do I forget Bundy. You are right, we've got Bundy fit up for suspect before his arrest too. The problem is of course, I still don't believe any of the people put forth as suspects in the Ripper case did it so it would have to be a witness, or other "innocently" mentioned in connection with the case. But Bundy would "kind of" qualify for "innocent" mention, he was if I remember correctly mentioned because he had the same kind of car that had been consistently reported in the attacks. And the police dismissed him, because of course, no fine clean cut All American college boy would be out there doing that. It's amazing what you can get away with if you're pretty.

[Darryl Kenyon]

I mean, I think he can. I don't have any firm statistics on this, so don't take me as presenting this as fact and "this could never happen", this is just musing. But I was sitting here trying to think of serial murder cases where the perpetrator was known to the police in an innocent capacity, and recorded in the official papers, BEFORE they were caught or suspected as being the killer. And I really can't think of one. The only one that comes to mind is Gary Ridgeway, and he was known to the police as a suspect for ...decades? before being conclusively identified. I mean they collected DNA samples from him in like... 1980-something that didn't lead to his arrest until the 2000's. But he was always a suspect. So by that the only suspects would be Druitt, Kosminski, Ostrog... and I don't think any of them were the killer.

Hi Ally

I believe Ted Bundy was a suspect in some of his earlier murders and was pulled up in his car at one point were the police found some incriminating evidence but not enough to charge him with.

[Herlock Sholmes]

try the creative writing thread

[Aethelwulf]

At least 5 sentences are fact.

2nd and 4th also have support.

try the creative writing thread

[DJA]

All supposition. No evidence.

At least 5 sentences are fact.

2nd and 4th also have support.

[John Wheat]

The whole story goes back to Sutton joining Saint Leonard's Church as medical officer circa 1866 when Mary Ann Kelly was ~ 8 years old.

She was abused and her family probably blackmailed Sutton at the time.

Same year Nichols and Eddowes were his inpatients together with rheumatic fever at the London Hospital.

Imagine the three women in a hotel in 1888 with Nichols and Eddowes discussing their odd "doctor" in glowing terms when Kelly interrupts telling them her story and that Sutton was the reason RL Stevenson's novella was written.

Nichols moves next door to Eddowes who goes hopping.

Nichols is murdered near the London Hospital.

Eddowes returns hoping for a reward.

All supposition. No evidence.

[John Wheat]

I've always thought that it would be hard after Mary Kelly for a killer to de-escalate in a killing that would have been way more personal. To use the same example -Kemper- his mother was always his primary target, and her murder was just as vicious, as his previous. If Bury went from unknown victims to personal close victims, I would presume he wouldn't have been able to resist more extensive mutilations after showing increasing trending upwards in that department.

Hi Ally

I agree and Bury probably struggled to not mutilate Ellen to more of a degree. However he couldn't just leave her on the streets. As it is Bury tried to pass Ellen's murder off as suicide. One problem with dismissing Bury is that copy cat killers rarely exist in real life. Also there aren't that many murderer's that mutilate after they've killed.

Cheers John

[Ally]

What about William Henry Bury who buggered off to Edinburgh shortly after Mary Jane Kelly's murder. Then murdered his wife in a similar fashion to the C5?

Cheers John

I've always thought that it would be hard after Mary Kelly for a killer to de-escalate in a killing that would have been way more personal. To use the same example -Kemper- his mother was always his primary target, and her murder was just as vicious, as his previous. If Bury went from unknown victims to personal close victims, I would presume he wouldn't have been able to resist more extensive mutilations after showing increasing trending upwards in that department.

[John Wheat]

How many serial killers, especially those who demonstrate an escalation in mutilations, simply stop?

- If he didn't die soon after the murders, then what is the reason for no more murders?
- If he was incarcerated soon after the murders, then how many 'viable' suspects were locked up for whatever reason?
- If he went abroad, then where do we find the same type of murders and in what country?

The fact the murders suddenly ceased is rarely addressed when theorists promote their suspect.

What about William Henry Bury who buggered off to Edinburgh shortly after Mary Jane Kelly's murder. Then murdered his wife in a similar fashion to the C5?

Cheers John