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  • #46
    Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

    The Police determined that Chapman's TOD was about 5:30, and if that's the case, Richardson is a very unlikely suspect, so it's understandable that they cleared him. The case for Richardson as a suspect is stronger if the TOD was earlier.
    No not really , whether its was 5.30am or 3.30 am Richardson was cleared as a suspect /person of interest which ever way you want to phase it , of the murder of Annie Chapman on the morning of the killing .
    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

      The Police determined that Chapman's TOD was about 5:30, and if that's the case, Richardson is a very unlikely suspect, so it's understandable that they cleared him. The case for Richardson as a suspect is stronger if the TOD was earlier.

      My understanding is that the police did not agree with the coroner's conclusion.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

        No not really , whether its was 5.30am or 3.30 am Richardson was cleared as a suspect /person of interest which ever way you want to phase it , of the murder of Annie Chapman on the morning of the killing .
        Are you saying that they cleared him before they determined the TOD?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


          My understanding is that the police did not agree with the coroner's conclusion.
          If you mean the final determination by the police, I agree.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

            Are you saying that they cleared him before they determined the TOD?
            It was determined on the day to be 5.30 am which he was excluded from being the murderer, if as we have been shown also it could have been as early as 3.30 am it would not have made any difference.

            'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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            • #51
              Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

              It was determined on the day to be 5.30 am which he was excluded from being the murderer, if as we have been shown also it could have been as early as 3.30 am it would not have made any difference.
              The reason why it matters is that suspicion about Richardson arises from the possibility that the murder may have been earlier than 5:30. If the murder occurred at about 5:30, then the reason for suspecting him is eliminated and it follows that in that case, he would be cleared.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

                The reason why it matters is that suspicion about Richardson arises from the possibility that the murder may have been earlier than 5:30. If the murder occurred at about 5:30, then the reason for suspecting him is eliminated and it follows that in that case, he would be cleared.
                Richardson was cleared Of any involvement in Chapmans murder 5.30 am or 3.30 am . i think we can move on from there .
                'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                  Richardson was cleared Of any involvement in Chapmans murder 5.30 am or 3.30 am . i think we can move on from there .
                  Everybody was cleared of a 3:30 murder because it was determined that there was no murder at 3:30. This article should help clarify the relationship between the question of Chapman's TOD and the viability of Richardson as a suspect: https://casebook.org/dissertations/rn-doubt.html

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

                    Everybody was cleared of a 3:30 murder because it was determined that there was no murder at 3:30. This article should help clarify the relationship between the question of Chapman's TOD and the viability of Richardson as a suspect: https://casebook.org/dissertations/rn-doubt.html
                    It was never determined that at all, it was suggested not proven .

                    Lewis ive read more articles on Annie's chapman than most , I started a thread on John Richardson that has over 3500 post. I suggest you go do your own research and read that thread to fully understand everything regarding the death of Annie chapman

                    John Richardson had no involvement in her death no matter what time she was murdered..
                    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                      It was never determined that at all, it was suggested not proven .

                      Lewis ive read more articles on Annie's chapman than most , I started a thread on John Richardson that has over 3500 post. I suggest you go do your own research and read that thread to fully understand everything regarding the death of Annie chapman

                      John Richardson had no involvement in her death no matter what time she was murdered..
                      I can see that you've made up your mind, so there's no point in my commenting on this any further.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
                        -- Can anyone think of a suspect with a strange, mysterious and seemingly very assertive mother...? <*cough*...>
                        Strange - the closest to that is Druitt's mother ended up in an asylum.

                        But there's no evidence that Druitt's mother or the mother of any other suspect was mysterious or very assertive.

                        And being strange or mysterious or assertive is not a sign that a woman's child will become a serial killer.

                        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

                          I can see that you've made up your mind, so there's no point in my commenting on this any further.

                          After that may post on the John Richardson thread, I should think not .
                          'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Fiver View Post
                            And being strange or mysterious or assertive is not a sign that a woman's child will become a serial killer.
                            Quite right, Fiver. Oh, and <*cough*...>

                            "You can rob me, you can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me."
                            Clint Eastwood as Gunny in "Heartbreak Ridge"

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                              Strange - the closest to that is Druitt's mother ended up in an asylum.

                              But there's no evidence that Druitt's mother or the mother of any other suspect was mysterious or very assertive.

                              And being strange or mysterious or assertive is not a sign that a woman's child will become a serial killer.
                              Good post, Fiver.

                              If Jack's mother made him a serial killer, I wonder if she would kindly make one for the Lechmere theorists if they gave her the wool.

                              Love,

                              Caz
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