Profile of Jack the Ripper

[Chava]

I think your profile is okay. But why the not English line?

If he's the guy seen with Kelly by Mary Ann cox, he says nothing. Just keeps on walking up the alley. He may have been hiding an accent.

[John Wheat]

If he's the guy seen with Kelly by Mary Ann cox, he says nothing. Just keeps on walking up the alley. He may have been hiding an accent.

I'm not convinced by any of the that.

[Lewis C]

I'm not convinced by any of the that.

I'm not either. First, that man may or may not have been JtR. Secondly, even if he was, I don't think that him not saying anything is surprising, and we can't draw any conclusions from it.

[Chava]

I think your victim profile is pretty solid. On suspects, I agree he prefers a certain kind of victim. For location, he preferred a certain area, but did you mean more than that?

I think he probably was working class, because he probably lived in the area, and it was a working class area.

He doesn't seem to have spent much time with Eddowes, unless he spent time with her previously. If we believe Schwartz' story and also conclude that BS man killed Stride, he seems to have approached Stride just before he hit her.

What do you base your ethnic part on, and are you counting Poland as part of northern Europe?

I think of Poland as Eastern Europe. His colouring is seen more commonly in the West of Scotland & Scandinavia than in England. I suspect he didn't say 'good evening' to Mrs Cox because he had an accent of some kind. I understand that's a reach. I think he is triggered by something other than just seeing a likely drunken prospect. Perhaps a reference to children left behind or dead. We know Long Liz had a sob story about losing her kids in the Princess Alice disaster. We know Kelly had a sob story about her lovely little boy--who no one seems to have actually seen. Catherine Eddowes was off to see her daughter in Bermondsey & cadge some money from her. Although said daughter had apparently moved leaving no forwarding address precisely to avoid her mum. Eddowes might have had a thing or two to say about that. Chapman was also taken up for drunkenness on numerous occasions while she was still with her husband. (We know he drank as well.). She'd had 3 kids. But one died, the youngest who would have been 8 when she was murdered was in a home for cripples. And I believe she said her surviving daughter was in France. She had deserted the family & gone to London. We know nothing of what Nicholls said about her kids. But she also certainly deserted the family on numerous occasions before finally leaving for good.

I don't think he necessarily spent hours with them, although a few times there is enough missing time for that to be possible. But I do believe they say something that sets him off. And when that happens he acts very quickly & not necessarily with an eye to his own safety. He was extremely lucky not to have been caught in almost all of the murders. Kelly was the only 'safe' one for him.

[Christian]

I'd be looking for someone local, non-descript who blends in, not someone who stands out. Someone familiar with police beats too.

Agree 100% mate!!

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I'd be looking for someone local, non-descript who blends in, not someone who stands out. Someone familiar with police beats too.

Then you wouldn't be looking for someone who was in the habit of eating bread from the gutter?

[Lewis C]

I think of Poland as Eastern Europe. His colouring is seen more commonly in the West of Scotland & Scandinavia than in England. I suspect he didn't say 'good evening' to Mrs Cox because he had an accent of some kind. I understand that's a reach. I think he is triggered by something other than just seeing a likely drunken prospect. Perhaps a reference to children left behind or dead. We know Long Liz had a sob story about losing her kids in the Princess Alice disaster. We know Kelly had a sob story about her lovely little boy--who no one seems to have actually seen. Catherine Eddowes was off to see her daughter in Bermondsey & cadge some money from her. Although said daughter had apparently moved leaving no forwarding address precisely to avoid her mum. Eddowes might have had a thing or two to say about that. Chapman was also taken up for drunkenness on numerous occasions while she was still with her husband. (We know he drank as well.). She'd had 3 kids. But one died, the youngest who would have been 8 when she was murdered was in a home for cripples. And I believe she said her surviving daughter was in France. She had deserted the family & gone to London. We know nothing of what Nicholls said about her kids. But she also certainly deserted the family on numerous occasions before finally leaving for good.

I don't think he necessarily spent hours with them, although a few times there is enough missing time for that to be possible. But I do believe they say something that sets him off. And when that happens he acts very quickly & not necessarily with an eye to his own safety. He was extremely lucky not to have been caught in almost all of the murders. Kelly was the only 'safe' one for him.

Is your idea that he is triggered by something just a hunch, or is it based on more than that? If this is true, is there any way of knowing which suspects are more likely or less likely to be triggered by something?

It seems that you consider Mary Cox the most important witness, right?

[Dickere]

Then you wouldn't be looking for someone who was in the habit of eating bread from the gutter?

I doubt the eating bread part has particular significance, in fact people eating crusts in the street probably wasn't at all unusual. You imply he'd have been sitting there with a knife and fork wearing a napkin.

[Fiver]

I doubt the eating bread part has particular significance, in fact people eating crusts in the street probably wasn't at all unusual. You imply he'd have been sitting there with a knife and fork wearing a napkin.

What kind of bread do you think was throw or dropped in the gutter? What do you think it looked like by the time Kosminski fished it out? This wasn't someone who ate with his bare hands, this was someone who ate moldy, decaying food covered in mud or worse.

[Chava]

Is your idea that he is triggered by something just a hunch, or is it based on more than that? If this is true, is there any way of knowing which suspects are more likely or less likely to be triggered by something?

It seems that you consider Mary Cox the most important witness, right?

Yes it's a hunch. I do think it's possible that the victims self-selected in some way. The geographical locations of the last 4 are strikingly similar. In all cases the killer & victim had to go through a narrow alley or passageway or in Chapman's case a hallway through to a much broader enclosed space. The Freudian implications of that appear quite striking to me. I could argue against myself that many prostitutes took their punters down alleys. But it's the crucial broadening out into an enclosed space that I think is diagnostic here. And as I've said all of these women had either real stories of kids abandoned for drink or sob stories about kids that have died/aren't with their mother. A lot of the suspects could have had abusive/drunken mothers who abandoned them. The mutilations all seem to start in the abdomen. Another reason why I think this is about mothers not about sex.

[Mark J D]

... Another reason why I think this is about mothers not about sex.

All very interesting!

-- Can anyone think of a suspect with a strange, mysterious and seemingly very assertive mother...? <*cough*...>

M.

[Dickere]

All very interesting!

-- Can anyone think of a suspect with a strange, mysterious and seemingly very assertive mother...? <*cough*...>

M.

John Richardson.

[Mark J D]

John Richardson.

Then build your case, detective.

M.

[FISHY1118]

Officially John Richardson was never a suspect ,he was cleared of any involvement of Chapmans murder on the morning after been interviewed by the police

Any attempt to somehow portray him as JTR is a silly and futile exercise.

Just like Charles Lechmere.

[Lewis C]

Officially John Richardson was never a suspect ,he was cleared of any involvement of Chapmans murder on the morning after been interviewed by the police

Any attempt to somehow portray him as JTR is a silly and futile exercise.

Just like Charles Lechmere.

The Police determined that Chapman's TOD was about 5:30, and if that's the case, Richardson is a very unlikely suspect, so it's understandable that they cleared him. The case for Richardson as a suspect is stronger if the TOD was earlier.