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    I have a made a big discovery in the case. New evidence you could say.
    The following data below is what I found:
    1: Jack's cross is not a cross but an arrow pointing sw to a spot on Mitre st. near the 4th crime scene.
    2: This area had a Jewish Community there.
    3: There was a synagogue behind the crime scene.
    4: there are several jewish friendly butcher shops in the area. two of the butchers were jewish men.
    5: the 5 crimes scenes of rippers cross also form the star of David.
    6: the first crime scene is near a jewish cemetery.
    7: Jacks message was " The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing".
    This is just my first theory. I have more theorys for later times to tell. I have strong beliefs that Jack the Ripper was a Jewish Butcher in the community. I would like some input on my theory. I look foward to it.

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    Hi american ace,

    Welcome to the boards. I have a few points. I applaud you working your theories, especially here. Here are my thoughts: Because there was such a large population of Jews within the Whitechapel and surrounding districts, a murder located anywhere would have been close to something jewish. In my opinion, the location of the murders were a product of unfortunates bringing their punters from one of the two main roads (Whitechapel and Commercial St) to a private location. Check the locations again on a map. If the production of a star of David was perfect with all sides, then it would be more convincing, but it's not. Lastly, we don't know for sure the Ripper murders were just five. It may have been six, or it may have been none. There's no consensus.

    Sincerely,

    Mike
    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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    • #3
      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      I have a made a big discovery in the case. New evidence you could say.
      My first and most helpful comment that I can offer is not intended to be rude, smug or arrogant. I know it can be read several different ways so I just want to make sure this is taken as possitiive criticism to help improve your critical thinking skills and the presentation of your theories. So please do not think I am saying this to be cruel:

      What you have offered are not evidence, or discoveries. They are speculation. This of course does not mean they are not worthy of investigation, as you may well produce some very interesting evidence, but to avoid negative criticism it is best to properly describe what you are presenting.

      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      The following data below is what I found:
      1: Jack's cross is not a cross but an arrow pointing sw to a spot on Mitre st. near the 4th crime scene.
      This is the best example of why it is not evidence. It is your subjective opinion of what something looks like. I am not sure what eveidence you could ever present that a shape was not intended to look like one thing but was emphatically another.

      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      2: This area had a Jewish Community there.
      This is well known. But with out evidence to connect this to 1) or to the crimes it is very much a case of correlation, but not proven causation or connection.

      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      3: There was a synagogue behind the crime scene.
      4: there are several jewish friendly butcher shops in the area. two of the butchers were jewish men.
      Again you offer no reason these should be connected to the crimes. There were also fruit sellers in the area, or grocers. If I thought the "cross" looked like a yard arm and noticed that it pointed in the direction of the docks, then looked for maritmers in the area I would have supplied exactly as much evidence as you. How do we differentiate between my speculation and your theory?

      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      5: the 5 crimes scenes of rippers cross also form the star of David.
      Again, your subjective opinion of what a shape or pattern looks like. By this standard Mr Alan Moore has proven beyond all doubt that Jack was a black magician. Sorry, this is not evidence.

      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      6: the first crime scene is near a jewish cemetery.
      It was near other things as well. Like your previous comments we have no rreason to assume this in any way releveant or connected to the case.

      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      7: Jacks message was " The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing".
      This assumes the message was Jacks.

      Originally posted by american ace View Post
      This is just my first theory. I have more theorys for later times to tell. I have strong beliefs that Jack the Ripper was a Jewish Butcher in the community. I would like some input on my theory. I look foward to it.
      I am sorry to say that your speculations do not point towards your conclusion. It requires a lot of evidence and offers no real reason to assume it is more than a hunch.
      There Will Be Trouble! http://www.amazon.co.uk/A-Little-Tro...s=T.+E.+Hodden

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      • #4
        I'm sure this may be nitpicking, but five murder locations cannot form a six pointed star. The Star of David is a six pointed star. Just thought I'd put that out there.
        The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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        • #5
          Could !!

          You could be onto something !! BUT the cross point's to Westminster Abby !!

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          • #6
            I have researched 99 instances of it not bring described in official records as a cross, against just one where it is a cross. I think it's time we stopped describing it as a cross.
            The fact that it isn't a cross is very, very suspicious. It is actually highly incriminating.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lechmere View Post
              I have researched 99 instances of it not bring described in official records as a cross, against just one where it is a cross. I think it's time we stopped describing it as a cross.
              The fact that it isn't a cross is very, very suspicious. It is actually highly incriminating.
              Of who? Pontius Pilate? Please tell me that post was meant to be funny, because I laughed pretty hard. "99 instances of it not being a cross." Priceless.

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              • #8
                Sorry.

                Sorry not a cross BUT an arrow !!

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                • #9
                  Now your talking

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                  • #10
                    Like cigarette packets there should be a health warning on some posts!!

                    Have we really reached the point where people of an age and intellect to post still see this sort of speculation as intelligent, useful or tenable?

                    In an Agatha Christie novel the murderer might follow a plan,but is anyone (with more criminological background than I possess) able to point to a single case of a killer who actually carried out or even planned such a series of murders?

                    Secondly, how accurate is your plotting of the "arrow" - be out by a single metre and you could throw the whole thing out?

                    Call me cynical - Phil
                    Last edited by Phil H; 03-08-2013, 10:18 PM. Reason: can't spell cynical!!

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                    • #11
                      Arrow or Spear ?

                      So it was not a Cross but a spear ( a Lech-Spear )

                      Now i am convinced ! My cap is indeed tipped .
                      Last edited by moonbegger; 03-08-2013, 10:25 PM.

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                      • #12
                        If the arrow were out by a few agatha christiesque metres (or yards preferably) then it could become a spear.
                        Well spotted moonbeggar, you certainly have a knack for spotting these things.

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                        • #13
                          Could.

                          you could be right Phil H.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Phil H View Post
                            Like cigarette packets there should be a health warning on some posts!!

                            Have we really reached the point where people of an age and intellect to post still see this sort of speculation as intelligent, useful or tenable?

                            In an Agatha Christie novel the murderer might follow a plan,but is anyone (with more criminological background than I possess) able to point to a single case of a killer who actually carried out or even planned such a series of murders?

                            Secondly, how accurate is your plotting of the "arrow" - be out by a single metre and you could throw the whole thing out?

                            Call me cynical - Phil
                            Oh I think most people come out of the gate with a somewhat awkward statement of belief that they would like confirmed or challenged with information not previously known to them. Typically a site like this is a first or second stop on the road to knowledge, not the 29th step after diligent primary source research. I for the life of me don't remember what my first post was, but I'm sure it would make me cringe now. I think maybe the new guys should get a break on the withering reviews until they've been here a couple of months. Let them get used to the water before chumming it for sharks. If after that it just gets more baffling, by all means break out the cello and start up the Jaws theme.

                            And this isn't so much specific to you, by the way. It's just a trend I see beginning to crest.
                            The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                            • #15
                              What was the secret?

                              Frederick Post
                              Maryland, U.S.A.
                              2 June 1913

                              JACK THE RIPPER TOOK HIS OWN LIFE IN 1888, LONDON INSPECTOR SAYS
                              Special to the Frederick Post

                              London, June 1.
                              Chief McNaughton, of the criminal investigation department of Scotland Yard, who recently retired, reveals the fact that the mysterious murderer, Jack the Ripper, who killed seven women of the underworld in 1888, and whose end remained a mystery until now, committed suicide in November of that year.

                              Jack the Ripper's crimes extended over a long period and although the entire police force of London was sent to catch him, he was never caught in the act of assaulting his victims. He mutilated them horribly with a knife. His crimes created a great sensation at the time.

                              "I have a very clear idea of who he was and how he committed suicide," said McNaughton, "but that and other secrets never will be revealed by me."

                              He added that no records exist of the secret information he acquired during his connection with the service, and he says he will not write any reminiscences.

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