Martha Tabram's common law husband

[K-453]

Has anyone suspected Henry Turner yet?
He was Martha Tabram's common law husband; they broke up three weeks before she was murdered. (Some sources say four weeks.)
Sieving a woman with 39 stab wounds speaks of an enormous and personal hatred.
Who knows, maybe the murderer killed Martha for personal reasons, but in doing so he discovered the 'fun' of it, or it brushed aside all qualms he still had.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo K-453!

May not be the worst place to look. I've seen where someone has proposed her children as her murderer and as "JTR". Many think Stride was murdered by Kidney, "MJK" by Barnett or Flemming or the like. I would be more inclined that a domestic murder be a rage of stabbings than a clean cut to the throat in a dark alley way positioned next to a wall. Not saying I'm pro "JTR" for Stride's murder. For clarity. I'm not sure if there is anything that points to Henry Turner though.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Of course...

That doesn't mean he shouldn't be looked at. Closely. Like everyone should be. Scrutinized to the marrow.

[DVV]

Kidney and Barnett are innocent. That we know, because they've been suspected and exonerated. And nothing has been discovered against them since 1888.
As for Fleming, he isn't a suspect for MJK only, which would be a nonsense. Some posters may suffer from angst but MJK is definitely canonical.

Turner ? what was he doing with Martha of that first floor ? - Oh, I see. He took offence when she asked him four pence.

Cheers

[Cogidubnus]

Kidney and Barnett are innocent. That we know, because they've been suspected and exonerated.

Hi David

Not sure where you get, for sure, Barnett being innocent...though I suspect he'd have been the first suspect the Met would've entertained even way back in 1888 - and he'd have had to have been squeaky clean...so on the balance of probabilities you may be right.

However, you won't be surprised to hear I take more serious issue with you over Kidney...

I agree Tom published a very convincing vindication of Michael Kidney, but on other threads this has been queried, if not destroyed...

Do you have something new?

All the best

Dave

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Destroyed?

I'll admit that I haven't read every post on every thread, but I haven't come across anything that would warrant destruction. Can you point me in direction of the decimation?

[C. F. Leon]

I'll admit that I haven't read every post on every thread, but I haven't come across anything that would warrant destruction. Can you point me in direction of the decimation?

I think he meant the arguement/-s has been 'destroyed' logically.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Heh, heh

I think he meant the arguement/-s has been 'destroyed' logically.

I'm attempting my moniker's advice. That was the polite way to say that. Anyways, I've not seen the argument logically destroyed. If said destroying has occured. Asking for some pointing in that direction. Some more specific pointing if you will.

[DVV]

Hi David
However, you won't be surprised to hear I take more serious issue with you over Kidney...
I agree Tom published a very convincing vindication of Michael Kidney, but on other threads this has been queried, if not destroyed...
Do you have something new?
Dave

Hi Dave,

It works the other way round : is there anything new and convincing to suspect Kidney ?
I don't think so. What have I missed exactly ?
Stride has been seen with different men around Berner Street. Did any witness recognize Kidney ?
And what about his motive ?
He could be violent ? Ok, but that's no Wonder between such kind of partners.
Moreover, I don't believe for one second that the double event could be such a coincidence. That's simply unthinkable imo. Perhaps the greatest mistake one can make.

Cheers Dave

[Cogidubnus]

Hi David

On second thoughts a Tabram thread probably isn't the place for an in-depth discussion on Stride...do you want to pursue it elsewhere (find an existing thread or start a new one?) - I have nothing new but am more than happy to talk it over...

All the best

Dave

[DVV]

You're right, Dave.

Don't worry, I'm expecting a new brand thread called Was Stride really, I mean really, a Ripper victim ? or else Are we hundred percent sure that Kidney was truly innocent ?

We'll meet there, between two posts from Lynn accusing the equally Hungarian and Machiavellian Israel Schwartz.

Cheers

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

K-453

Anyways, the point was to provide what some may consider to be examples of domestic murders that were or have been "inaccurately" viewed as Ripper killings for compare and contrast. My own opinion currently is that Tabram should be viewed, with caution, a good candidate as a victim of the murderer that killed Nichols and Chapman. Eddowes seems likely, although slightly less. "MJK" also but less than Eddowes. Stride at about 55%. Tabram with, if I recall correctly, wounds to her privates seems to be roughly about where Stride is. This is my current opinion. For clarity. What is your take on Tabram?

[Cogidubnus]

You're right, Dave.

I'm always right...so are you...it's a trait us Davids share!

Start the thread, and I promise I'll visit you in jail!

All the best

Dave

[DVV]

Let them start it, Dave.

These days there is one murderer who never killed, and several copycats who copied God knows who.

A la tienne !