Leather Apron - Let's re-examine the facts

[Abby Normal]

So the "fluffy" slipper maker wasn't really "fluffy" at all then.

nor was he rippy

[Busy Beaver]

So the "fluffy" slipper maker wasn't really "fluffy" at all then.

[MrBarnett]

hi Danny
Thicke knew him well and knew he was Leather Apron and Pizer himself admitted he was during the inquest. case closed IMHO.

Couldn’t agree more, Abby.

Let’s not forget where the name originated: among the lodging house women. Pizer was reportedly confronted by some women on Church Street and one of them called him LA over 20 times. Pizer initially denied knowing the woman, but then admitted she continually bothered him. I’d be very surprised if that ‘bothering’ didn’t involve calling him out as LA.

That his family were unaware of the nickname he had in the seedy lodging houses he frequented in no way argues against his being so called outside the family environment.

The Scotsman (?) carried an interview with a publican who knew Pizer. He described him as a wastrel who was ‘fond of the company of women’ and who habitually wore his apron whether he was in or out of work.

[Abby Normal]

Leather Apron - lets re-examine the facts. Despite knowing the case of JtR well, I have NEVER really known the full details and insight into the whole Leather Apron 'scare' and all information that there is to know concerning this character that seems almost as much shrouded in mystery as the killer himself. We know that the press turned the stories of Leather Apron into somewhat of a 'monster', so to speak. They painted this picture of this horrible character that stalked the streets, murdering and terrifying the whores of Whitechapel, but this is nearing on fictional. So, I wanted to start this discussion for the purpose of getting to know the truth about this shady shadow.

1) WAS PIZER EVER CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN TO BE LEATHER APRON?

Is there evidence Pizer was the man who walked the streets abusing women? He denied this and didn't seem to be of the character described by the women. It seems to me that the only reason he was ever really suspected of being this persona was because he wore an apron and Thicke's rather dodgy accounts.

2) IF PIZER WASN'T LEATHER APRON, WHO WAS?

Are there other Leather Apron 'suspects' who were named as 'Leather Apron'?

3) WERE THERE STORIES OF LEATHER APRON PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MAIN MURDERS?

What the first ever mention or account of 'Leather Apron', or of a man abusing the women? Was this pre-murders, or did the name only come to light after the murder of Nichols. If so, how soon before the Autumn of Terror did these stories circulate?

4) WHAT OCCUPATIONS IN THE EAST END REQUIRED THE WORKER TO WEAR A LEATHER APRON?

By looking at who in the East End would worn an apron, maybe we can narrow down just who may have been Leather Apron...

hi Danny
Thicke knew him well and knew he was Leather Apron and Pizer himself admitted he was during the inquest. case closed IMHO.

[Danny Spence]

Leather Apron - lets re-examine the facts. Despite knowing the case of JtR well, I have NEVER really known the full details and insight into the whole Leather Apron 'scare' and all information that there is to know concerning this character that seems almost as much shrouded in mystery as the killer himself. We know that the press turned the stories of Leather Apron into somewhat of a 'monster', so to speak. They painted this picture of this horrible character that stalked the streets, murdering and terrifying the whores of Whitechapel, but this is nearing on fictional. So, I wanted to start this discussion for the purpose of getting to know the truth about this shady shadow.

1) WAS PIZER EVER CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN TO BE LEATHER APRON?

Is there evidence Pizer was the man who walked the streets abusing women? He denied this and didn't seem to be of the character described by the women. It seems to me that the only reason he was ever really suspected of being this persona was because he wore an apron and Thicke's rather dodgy accounts.

2) IF PIZER WASN'T LEATHER APRON, WHO WAS?

Are there other Leather Apron 'suspects' who were named as 'Leather Apron'?

3) WERE THERE STORIES OF LEATHER APRON PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MAIN MURDERS?

What was the first ever mention or account of 'Leather Apron', or of a man abusing the women? Was this pre-murders, or did the name and stories only come to light after the murder of Nichols. If so, how soon before the Autumn of Terror did these stories circulate?

4) WHAT OCCUPATIONS IN THE EAST END REQUIRED THE WORKER TO WEAR A LEATHER APRON?

By looking at who in the East End would have worn an apron, maybe we can narrow down just who may have been Leather Apron...