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  • DVV
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    Hello Caroline, if Mary was so obviously a random victim, why is it the only murder indoors, why is she the only victim under 30, why is she the last of the series, why did he take the heart instead of the uterus ?
    Nothing impossible in your scenario, but there is room for doubt.

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  • lynn cates
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    Seek and ye shall--oops!

    Hello Mac. Indeed. If the press cuttings are to be believed, BM was diligently sought by the Met--to no avail.

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • lynn cates
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    suggestions

    Hello Abby. Interesting idea. You make many good points here.

    One solution to some of the problems you suggest would be to agree with Dr. Bond regarding TOD. I would suggest somewhere between 1 and 2--at 1, we have testimony that MJK was still singing, another piece of testimony has lights out before 2.

    One problem with this approach is that the fire would need to be kindled later to correspond with the fire that was evidenced during the investigation. Perhaps one could see MJK finishing her song shortly after 1 and falling asleep with BM whilst he awaits for her being asleep, and soundly. Then he cuts her throat and lights a fire for mutilation.

    Of course, a flaw is that it would be difficult to have killed her in the dark--especially, if she is resisting.

    (It could be offered, on the other hand, that the light went out after 1 because she had gone back out. This would make the A-Man timing less awkward.)

    The above are merely suggestions. I do not necessarily advocate any of it.

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • caz
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    I think we sometimes see Jack as a killing machine, who is either tucked up in bed at night doing bugger all, or out looking for victims. But he must have been out on many an evening doing other things as well. He only killed on a handful of nights at most.

    I tend to think he was probably familiar with women like Mary Kelly and used their services regularly, before he began acting out his violent urges on the more vulnerable and desperate specimens in the area, who might otherwise not have appealed to him. He could have set out on the evening before Lord Mayor's Day to enjoy himself, purely and simply, with a night down the pub, where he bumps into Mary and allows her to pick him up. They have a fish and chip supper together and some take-out beer for afters back at her place. Now Barnett isn't sharing her bed she can service anyone who seems pleasant and trustworthy in relative comfort. If Blotchy tells her he's good for a shilling or three to keep the landlord sweet, how could she resist?

    As Mary was younger and fitter he may have had 'normal' designs on this one to start with, but something she said or did in that room (her singing could easily have got on his nerves) made his knife hand twitch and that was that. It's also possible that once he began killing that autumn he found it harder and harder to use a prostitute for the original purpose.

    Hutch comes along around 2.15 to see if he can doss with her, but she's evidently 'entertaining' so he waits until 3 then gives up, assuming it's an all-nighter. When he learns what happened in the room he realises he might need to explain his loitering for so long outside, so he invents a description of the guest he never saw - who may well have been Blotchy.

    Love,

    Caz
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  • Sally
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    Hutchinson was Blotchy's (who was a Fenian Conspirator) Dad, and made up Astroman to get his son off the hook? That would explain a few things..

    On the other hand, it does look from what little we know that 'Mary Kelly' probably knew Blotchy. However drunk she was, the question must be, would she have been going back to her place with a takeout with a bloke she didn't know (at least by sight) in her, and the, circumstances?

    Throw in the Fish 'n' Chips supper (or Eels 'n' Mash, perhaps) and it looks a bit more like she's pulled after a night in the pub.

    It doesn't mean that Friend Blotchy didn't kill her, I suppose. It does at least make a bit more sense than Randy Churchill (or someone like him) slumming it in Dosshouse Street with murder on his mind
    Last edited by Sally; 03-07-2012, 01:58 AM. Reason: Spelling!

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  • Fleetwood Mac
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    If you could find a bookies keeping a book on all of the suspects then undoubtedly Blotchy would be the favourite in the field.

    There is no accounting for a man in the room on the night.

    If I could go back and ask one question to any major player in the event it would be: Mary, if you were soliciting, why not just go into an alley like the rest and then move onto the next fella, more money to be earned?

    To me, it all points to him staying the night: going back to her room, the singing, the beer pot. Seems like a night cap as opposed to a five minute knee trembler.

    Edited to add:

    In terms of the time, I just don't see it as plausible that he waited til 4. This is hardly a cat toying with a mouse, witness Stride and Eddowes. If it was him, it was earlier, and the 4am cries weren't Mary's.
    Last edited by Fleetwood Mac; 03-07-2012, 01:48 AM.

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  • Abby Normal
    started a topic Blotchy

    Blotchy

    More and more I am of the opinion that Blotchy should be our best candidate for Mary Kelly's murderer and JtR. I think he is overlooked and am rather surprised that he doesn't come up more often in these discussions.

    He was the last suspect seen to enter Mary Kelly's room on the night of her murder as described by a reliable witness, and if you find Hutch's A-man story as hard to beleive as i do then Blotchy is the last person to be with Mary when she was alive. This would make him suspect number one to any detective.

    On the night of her murder, all signs point to Mary not venturing out again that night. She was extremely inebriated with more on hand, with a man whom she was very comfortable with and who in her mind probably had money, and the weather was horrible-cold and rainy. To me this seems like a situation where she had no intention of going out again, even if she was physically able to. She was settled in, unfortunately for her, with Blotchy for the evening.

    One of the objections to Blotchy being JtR is, taking the time of approx. 4:00 for the cries of "murder" as mary's TOD, is that the ripper would not have waited so long to spring his attack. A valid question, but I don't really have a problem with this. He may have killed her earlier and the cries were not Mary's. But I do place alot of weight on two witnesses hearing the cry, and the 4:00 time of death seems reasonable to me. So why did Blotchy wait so long? This was the first and only time the ripper was alone with a victim in her own room (and with a door that could be locked). Perhaps he felt comfortable to take his time, savor the moment. or perhaps he did not feel comfortable and wanted to make sure the time was right and he would not be interupted, so he waited. Either way, cops on the beat were not a concern this time, so perhaps in his mind the urgency to have to strike immediately was not there.

    Blotchy was the last "reliable" suspect seen with Mary in her room the night of her murder. The scenario that evening seems to sugest that she was very comfortable with him and therefore probably knew him casually. Blotchy never came forward to clear his name or assist the police, nor did he go to the press. His description tallies with the man who lawende saw with Eddowes and the man who attacked Ada Wilson. He is the local unknown and regular "Joe" who many beleive would be the type of man to be the serial killer and Jack the Ripper.

    What say you?
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