Blotchy

[Robert]

(sigh) Heinrich, if Barnett had said, "I am the last person to admit to having been seen alone with Kelly in her room," then he'd have been telling the truth.

If he had said, "I admit it, I was the last person to be seen alone with Kelly in her room," then he would probably have been lying (given that he knew of Cox's testimony). I see no reason to doubt the word of Cox.

[Heinrich]

Hello Heinrich. I think the "alibi" refers to later that night when it was supposed that MJK was slain. ...

There was no consensus as to the exact time of death, Lynn.

"he admitted being the last person to have been seen with Mary Kelly in her dwelling on the night of her murder."

Not so, Heinrich : Barnett did not "admit" (loaded word) any such thing. He did not say, "I am the last person to have been seen in Mary's room on the night of the murder." And he'd have been lying if he had said it, for Cox saw Blotchy go into her room just before midnight.

"Blotchy" did not admit he was with Mary Kelly. In fact he never existed.
On the other hand, Barnett did say he was with Mary on the night of the murder and was seen with her.

... Whenever there is a distinct possibility that a murder is a domestic ... the partner or ex-partner will not be let completely off the hook unless or until he can be conclusively eliminated. That is how they often manage to prosecute domestic killers successfully at a later date, when they become complacent and make a mistake, thinking the police have lost interest. ...

Several serial killers have been interviewed by the police and released only to be charged at a later time. Sometimes all it takes to stop a killer is a session of questioning with the police.

[caz]

You seem to be saying that anyone interviewed by the police and subsequently released must be innocent. Killers have often been questioned by the police and released only to be successfully prosecuted at a later time, perhaps when another murder has happened.

No, I wasn't saying that at all. Whenever there is a distinct possibility that a murder is a domestic (and the police were well aware of that possibility in the case of MJK - don't let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise), the partner or ex-partner will not be let completely off the hook unless or until he can be conclusively eliminated. That is how they often manage to prosecute domestic killers successfully at a later date, when they become complacent and make a mistake, thinking the police have lost interest.

I only have confidence in Abberline and co, in as much as they would love to have had the excuse - any excuse - to question Barnett further and put more pressure on him to break, if only he had not been cleared as a result of their investigations. That's just stating the bleedin' obvious. They may have made all sorts of mistakes, or could have done some things much better, but they were used to domestic murder and they wanted, more than anything, to catch the bugger who did this. The fact that they failed to protect the victims or catch their killer is much more likely to have been because there was nothing to link them, than because the boyfriend was responsible and they missed all the clues.

Love,

Caz
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[Robert]

"he admitted being the last person to have been seen with Mary Kelly in her dwelling on the night of her murder."

Not so, Heinrich : Barnett did not "admit" (loaded word) any such thing. He did not say, "I am the last person to have been seen in Mary's room on the night of the murder." And he'd have been lying if he had said it, for Cox saw Blotchy go into her room just before midnight.

[lynn cates]

Alibi, and good night.

Hello Heinrich. I think the "alibi" refers to later that night when it was supposed that MJK was slain.

Cheers.
LC

[Heinrich]

Indeed, which is why they must have satisfied themselves there was no case and Barnett was no murderer.

You seem to be saying that anyone interviewed by the police and subsequently released must be innocent. Killers have often been questioned by the police and released only to be successfully prosecuted at a later time, perhaps when another murder has happened.

They would have taken the time and trouble otherwise to make that case and take a highly dangerous man out of society before he could fillet his next unfortunate girlfriend.

Your confidence in the Metropolitan police is astonishing, especially in light of the fact that they failed to protect the victims or catch the killer.

For starters, if Barnett's alibi for the murder night had not stood up to scrutiny, they'd have been very happy bunnies. ...

Joseph Barnett did not have an alibi as he admitted being the last person to have been seen with Mary Kelly in her dwelling on the night of her murder.

[caz]

It takes more than a few hours at the police station in the hope of getting a confession to make a case against a murderer, Caz.

Indeed, which is why they must have satisfied themselves there was no case and Barnett was no murderer. They would have taken the time and trouble otherwise to make that case and take a highly dangerous man out of society before he could fillet his next unfortunate girlfriend. For starters, if Barnett's alibi for the murder night had not stood up to scrutiny, they'd have been very happy bunnies.

Love,

Caz
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[Heinrich]

This is not so, Abby

she heard her say she was going to have a song, heard her singing and another witness also heard her singing.

No one else saw the man with the blotchy face and a carroty moustache, Abby.

[Abby Normal]

This is not so, Abby.


It takes more than a few hours at the police station in the hope of getting a confession to make a case against a murderer, Caz.


Which explains why there was not another victim, perhaps.

This is not so, Abby

she heard her say she was going to have a song, heard her singing and another witness also heard her singing.

[Sally]

Which explains why there was not another victim, perhaps.

And that's balderdash. There could be a hundred and one reasons for the murders to have ceased. If they ceased.

[Sally]

No, the last person who admits to have been seen with Mary Kelly was Joseph Barnett; he's our man.

He might be your man Heinrich, but he sure ain't mine. No Siree. Kelly was not a domestic murder, Joseph Barnett didn't kill her. I doubt he had the imagination.

I personally favour an epileptic local man with a penchant for walking.

[Heinrich]

...
because her story was corroborated by other witnesses. ...

This is not so, Abby.

Barnett was a suspect, but he was cleared at the time after considerable questioning and has no record of violence towards any woman.

It takes more than a few hours at the police station in the hope of getting a confession to make a case against a murderer, Caz.

The police would have kept their eye on him if they were not entirely satisfied that he could have had nothing to do with it. ...

Which explains why there was not another victim, perhaps.

[Robert]

Caz, I think you're forgetting that the police were all thick as two planks, whereas Barnett was a genius who could have been a brain surgeon if he wasn't chained to fish.

[caz]

Barnett was a suspect, but he was cleared at the time after considerable questioning and has no record of violence towards any woman. The police would have kept their eye on him if they were not entirely satisfied that he could have had nothing to do with it. It would clearly have been in their interests if they could have charged him and made it stick, and they were far more used to domestic attacks than murder by stranger, when the victim was female.

That should make him one of today's least likely suspects, but there you go.

Love,

Caz
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[Abby Normal]

What persuades you into believing that Mary Cox was a "reliable" witness? She had a criminal record for two assaults, including one of a police constable in 1887 for which she received a prison term.
She claimed to have been in and out of her lodging the entire night long although she was a widow with a child to mind.
"Blotchy" with his "carroty moustache" (LOL) was not seen by anyone else before or since the murder. Clearly, he is entirely made-up.

No, the last person who admits to have been seen with Mary Kelly was Joseph Barnett; he's our man.

Hi Heinrich
because her story was corroborated by other witnesses.

BTW, I think barnett is a very viable suspect also.