Let's narrow down some Ripper 'facts'

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
With regard to Kelly's attitude towards money, like everybody of similar status in the east end of London of that period, one lived on ones wits.
We have oral history of Mary Kelly frequently telling some sob story to obtain money with tales of ''Must pay me rent'' one can imagine her frequenting the kitchens of the local lodging houses, using her looks and youth to get a few extra pennies.
Indeed on elderly lodger told how he she often got money from him but it soon went on drink., indeed Mrs Maxwell said she often saw Mary in the lodging house where she worked[ Maxwell].
So its no surprise that as soon as she saw Hutchinson approach she had the same old line''Can you lend me''.
Its not like she went out especially to obtain money , more of a case of another good soul approaching.
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

Irish no more

Hello Richard.

"So its no surprise that as soon as she saw Hutchinson approach she had the same old line''Can you lend me''."

So MJK was Scots then? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi
One never knows Lynn, her brother was in the 2ND battalion of the ''Scot's guards'' not normally a first choice regiment for a Irish /Welsh background,
Regards Richard.

[caz]

Hello Caroline. Then you see her as bringing him there? That's certainly better than him finding her in such an obscure, out of the way, place.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

It seems the most reasonable explanation. It was November and she had been drinking so I can't see her taking so many of her clothes off unless she was 'entertaining' and not intending to go out again. I suspect her last customer offered her enough money to keep McCarthy sweet the next morning. But it appears she never got a penny, and anything she may have made from previous customers that evening (including Blotchy if he wasn't the last) presumably went into her killer's pocket.

I don't know how Harry can say that Kelly had no pressing need of money. She was penniless! She would still have needed to eat the next day - if she had lived.

Love,

Caz
X

[lynn cates]

Why?

Hello Richard. Seriously, that is a very good point. Why WOULD someone of such a racial background join that group?

Hmmm.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

sleep

Hello Caroline.

"I can't see her taking so many of her clothes off unless she was 'entertaining' and not intending to go out again."

Or perhaps merely going to bed to get some sleep?

Cheers.
LC

[Ben]

Or perhaps merely going to bed to get some sleep?

That would be my take on it, Lynn, certainly. It wouldn't have been a furnace by any means, but there would surely have been enough heat from the fire to induce Kelly to shed her outdoor (and possibly rain-sodden) clothes for bed. With regard to the extent of Kelly's concern over money, her behaviour was hardly consistent with panic over lack of funds, if Mary Cox's evidence is anything to go by. She was apparently very dunk at a quarter to midnight, and engaged in a rather extensive period of sing-song before presumably getting down to any pre-arranged business they might have discussed earlier. This hardly seems consistent with financial desperation on her part.

All the best,
Ben

[lynn cates]

arrears

Hello Ben. Thanks.

Concerning money, there was the long term arrears with McCarthy.

Cheers.
LC

[Ben]

Absolutely, Lynn, but Cox's evidence suggests very strongly that Kelly was neither overly concerned about that, nor seeking to remedy the situation. Compare this with the behaviour of Cox herself who, by her own account, was so concerned that she "owed anything" that she constantly flitted in and out of her room in miserable conditions in search of punters.

Regards,
Ben

[The Good Michael]

I know for sure that she was also much younger than the others, Mike.

Younger by birth, but not necessarily by appearance. For example, Stride may have looked younger than Kelly as she was slimmer.. just a might have mind you. And for those who think Stride was killed by another hand, it's a non-starter. But then we're left with 4 victims, unless Eddowes was done by a different hand as some speculate. So we're then left with 3 of different ages and of course one would be younger, one older, and one in the middle. Differences, yes, but one could say they all had different sized feet as well. I was referring to obvious and important differences.

Mike

[DVV]

I was referring to obvious and important differences.
Mike

That's just what I did, Mike, you can split hair as much as you will, Mary was much younger than any other canonical.
Nichols : 43
Chapman : 47
Stride : 45
Eddowes : 46

If that doesn't make an obvious and important difference with MJK 25 or 26 yo, what would ?

[caz]

Hello Caroline.

"I can't see her taking so many of her clothes off unless she was 'entertaining' and not intending to go out again."

Or perhaps merely going to bed to get some sleep?

Cheers.
LC

Well if she was as drunk as some would have us believe, I really can't see her bothering to undress right down to a skimpy chemise to sleep in that small draughty hovel when she was finally alone. Her lower layers could not have been that damp. Makes much more sense to me if she undressed for a punter - Blotchy perhaps, but not necessarily - who had promised her good money and might even have suggested staying the night.

Of course, if Blotchy had promised her some cash along with his beer and her sing-song, she'd have had no need to panic about lack of funds. All we know is that like the other victims there was no money when she was found dead.

Love,

Caz
X

[lynn cates]

earning power

Hello Ben. Thanks.

"Cox's evidence suggests very strongly that Kelly was neither overly concerned about that, nor seeking to remedy the situation"

And that brings up the question, "Why?" I have seen a suggestion that McCarthy understood the "earning power' of a girl like her, and was content to cut some slack.

Is that how you see it?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Let's have a song.

Hello Caroline. Just so. But the singing continues to bother me. Seems out of place.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

That's just what I did, Mike, you can split hair as much as you will, Mary was much younger than any other canonical.
Nichols : 43
Chapman : 47
Stride : 45
Eddowes : 46

If that doesn't make an obvious and important difference with MJK 25 or 26 yo, what would ?

Because David, you know she was younger (though we have no birth records or any documentation), but it isn't obvious the murderer did... at least not to me.

Mike